<strong>The 7410 gets very hot too. I would not want to be hearing the sound of the fan in my Titanium coming from the new LCD iMacs, and I doubt Apple will all of a sudden ADD a fan. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps the 7441 can be a choice, because of his less eat production.
The only way this would happen is if Apple had two product lines (IMHHO). Perhpas they're planning on it. If they plan on keeping a CRT iMac then perhpas it would have a G3 & cover the low end at around $799. Then perhaps 2 LCD models with G4's & LCD's (maybe $1099 & $1299). I doubt they'd have 1 model with different processors (ie G3/G4). Why? Simple, they'd have to revise the Mobo & they'd also have different heat dissapation requirements (therefore the enclosure may have to change).
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>iMac TFT fast G3 667Mhz
iMac TFT faster G3 733Mhz
iMac TFT fastest G3 866Mhz
iMac TFT Special Edition DV Studio (with DVD-R) G4 866Mhz</strong><hr></blockquote>
We can be almost sure that the i mac will evoluate soon, nobody know what will be is new design or if he will include a new screen (especially a LCD screen).
Do you think that this new I mac will have a G4 or the new chip from IBM code name sahara, called 750 FX (a chip that can reach one ghz, is 25 % faster than the previous G3 at equal speed.... ?
=============================
People keep repeating this "Sahara is 25% faster than previous G3 at equal clock speed" stuff. If you'll actually go back and look at what IBM said, they said that some changes let it run *up to* 25% faster "in bus intensive operations". They nowhere claim that speedup overall.</strong><hr></blockquote>
IBM said in his Pdf file (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/281DF2571A9AED1C87256AEF00559DFE) : "together , the cache and bus improvement can increase system performance more than 25 % over the 750 CXE, when operating at the same bus frequeny in bus intensive applications. The 750 FX's capability for higher bus speeds can further improve system performance (up to 200 mhz).
in the same PDF file they said also : The larger size of the internal L2, twice that witch is available on the 750 cxe, provides more on-chip memory stage for application code and data, and can give an estimated 8 to 15 % performance improvement, due to the size alone.
In a way you are right but the increase of speed will be a fact in number of applications even it will not reach 25 %.
An another interesting point is the new 292 ball ceramic ball grid array package : that means it is different from the previous IBM chip, the mobo need a change : you can put this chip in the actual i mac or i book.
If the iMac in the next coupla months get the LCD (14" or larger) and either a Sahara (new G3) or Apollo (new G4) CPU at a clock speed that is even a slight increase over what is current in the top model, I will be cranking my budget spreadsheet to buy one.
I am doubtful that the iMac will have a G4. I suspect the Sahara rumors are more likely.
That said, if it ends up with a G3, I will probably not get one, while I would buy one the day they come out if it has a G4. Even with a 1 ghz G3, I would be hesitant to buy a new computer with a processor that is clearly fairly close to being discontinued.
<strong>the only way for the imac to get a 1ghz G4 is for the powermac to at least hit 1.3 ,1.4. so there's a bit of space to define consumer/pro.
I wish
Imac
800 mhz G3
256mb ram (but coming from apple doubt it will happen.
Imac dv
900 mhz g3
384 ram
Imacdvse
1ghz G4
512 mb ram</strong><hr></blockquote>
I doubt that they will be both G3 and G4 in the new i mac line.
It will suppose that they will be 2 mobo, the new G3 from IBM, is not suitable with the old mobo (not pin compatible) of the I Mac, The G4 either, and the new G3 is not pin compatible with the G4.
<strong>But i hope apple follow's the same path with implementing ram like in the Tibook.
Low end imac get's 256mb
High end get's 512mb.
It's cheap now days dont see why they cant do it.
One thing i dont understand is apple's ram prices.can someone please explain that to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
we don't understand the Apple's HD prices either (two times the prize). Concerning the ram's prize i have asked this question one year ago to my Apple's resailor (because, like you i don't understand why they are so expansive). He replies me , that all Ram where tested by Apple, and they where more reliable than the other Ram.
The problem is that there are nearly two time more expansive ,at this cost you can take the risk to take two ram unstead one, even if one ram collapse you will still have the second one. I find that the prize of Apple's test are a quit too expansive ...
So... according to apple it costs them $160 to test the modules...
But they don't test each module, they do a test for vendor parts from the get go, and then assume they're all the same (ISO 9001, 9002). they might do a random test here and there to cover their ass.
OK, so if they sell 1 million iMac's a year that's $160,000,000.00 they have budgeted for RAM testing.... yeah right.
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iMac TFT faster G3 733Mhz
iMac TFT fastest G3 866Mhz
iMac TFT Special Edition DV Studio (with DVD-R) G4 866Mhz
<strong>The 7410 gets very hot too. I would not want to be hearing the sound of the fan in my Titanium coming from the new LCD iMacs, and I doubt Apple will all of a sudden ADD a fan. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps the 7441 can be a choice, because of his less eat production.
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>iMac TFT fast G3 667Mhz
iMac TFT faster G3 733Mhz
iMac TFT fastest G3 866Mhz
iMac TFT Special Edition DV Studio (with DVD-R) G4 866Mhz</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>[QUOTE]Originally posted by powerdoc:
============================
We can be almost sure that the i mac will evoluate soon, nobody know what will be is new design or if he will include a new screen (especially a LCD screen).
Do you think that this new I mac will have a G4 or the new chip from IBM code name sahara, called 750 FX (a chip that can reach one ghz, is 25 % faster than the previous G3 at equal speed.... ?
=============================
People keep repeating this "Sahara is 25% faster than previous G3 at equal clock speed" stuff. If you'll actually go back and look at what IBM said, they said that some changes let it run *up to* 25% faster "in bus intensive operations". They nowhere claim that speedup overall.</strong><hr></blockquote>
IBM said in his Pdf file (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/281DF2571A9AED1C87256AEF00559DFE) : "together , the cache and bus improvement can increase system performance more than 25 % over the 750 CXE, when operating at the same bus frequeny in bus intensive applications. The 750 FX's capability for higher bus speeds can further improve system performance (up to 200 mhz).
in the same PDF file they said also : The larger size of the internal L2, twice that witch is available on the 750 cxe, provides more on-chip memory stage for application code and data, and can give an estimated 8 to 15 % performance improvement, due to the size alone.
In a way you are right but the increase of speed will be a fact in number of applications even it will not reach 25 %.
An another interesting point is the new 292 ball ceramic ball grid array package : that means it is different from the previous IBM chip, the mobo need a change : you can put this chip in the actual i mac or i book.
That said, if it ends up with a G3, I will probably not get one, while I would buy one the day they come out if it has a G4. Even with a 1 ghz G3, I would be hesitant to buy a new computer with a processor that is clearly fairly close to being discontinued.
Fish
Appleinsider says:
G3 933Mhz-ish
Geforce 2
combo drive maybe superdrive
15" LCD at 1024x768 (yawn)
This machine is junk. JUNK!! What's needed is:
G4 1GHz
Geforce 3
Combo drive and superdrive
15" 1400x1080 display.
256MB minimum 512MB for $50 extra.
What I can get for $1700 from Dell today:
1.6Ghz P4
Geforce 3
Combo drive
15" LCD 1024x768
256 MB RAM
40 GB HD
:eek: OFFICE XP :eek:
If Apple releases what Appleinsider says...
it'll be another cube.
<strong>the new iMac HAS to be G4 to succeed!
G4 1GHz
Geforce 3
Combo drive and superdrive
15" 1400x1080 display.
256MB minimum 512MB for $50 extra.
.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I fear that you might be disapointed soon
<strong>the new iMac HAS to be G4 to succeed!
Appleinsider says:
G3 933Mhz-ish
Geforce 2
combo drive maybe superdrive
15" LCD at 1024x768 (yawn)
This machine is junk. JUNK!!
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's the machine I was expecting last FEBRUARY! Without the Superdrive though.
[quote]Originally posted by JasonPP:
<strong>
G4 1GHz
Geforce 3
Combo drive and superdrive
15" 1400x1080 display.
256MB minimum 512MB for $50 extra.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
What they need to succeed, at least:
G4 733 or G3 1GHz
GeForce2 (GeF3 in Special Edition)
Combo drive, it's a crime offering a consumer computer without a DVD drive (superdrive on SE)
15" 1024x768 LCD, maybe a slightly larger resolution as LCDs have a larger viewing angle
128MB, 256MB, 256MB respectively
I wish
Imac
800 mhz G3
256mb ram (but coming from apple doubt it will happen.
Imac dv
900 mhz g3
384 ram
Imacdvse
1ghz G4
512 mb ram
<strong>the only way for the imac to get a 1ghz G4 is for the powermac to at least hit 1.3 ,1.4. so there's a bit of space to define consumer/pro.
I wish
Imac
800 mhz G3
256mb ram (but coming from apple doubt it will happen.
Imac dv
900 mhz g3
384 ram
Imacdvse
1ghz G4
512 mb ram</strong><hr></blockquote>
I doubt that they will be both G3 and G4 in the new i mac line.
It will suppose that they will be 2 mobo, the new G3 from IBM, is not suitable with the old mobo (not pin compatible) of the I Mac, The G4 either, and the new G3 is not pin compatible with the G4.
Low end imac get's 256mb
High end get's 512mb.
It's cheap now days dont see why they cant do it.
One thing i dont understand is apple's ram prices.can someone please explain that to me.
<strong>But i hope apple follow's the same path with implementing ram like in the Tibook.
Low end imac get's 256mb
High end get's 512mb.
It's cheap now days dont see why they cant do it.
One thing i dont understand is apple's ram prices.can someone please explain that to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
we don't understand the Apple's HD prices either (two times the prize). Concerning the ram's prize i have asked this question one year ago to my Apple's resailor (because, like you i don't understand why they are so expansive). He replies me , that all Ram where tested by Apple, and they where more reliable than the other Ram.
The problem is that there are nearly two time more expansive ,at this cost you can take the risk to take two ram unstead one, even if one ram collapse you will still have the second one. I find that the prize of Apple's test are a quit too expansive ...
[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: powerdoc ]</p>
they charge $200 for an extra 256 module.
at Macwarehouse this is $39.95!!!!
So... according to apple it costs them $160 to test the modules...
But they don't test each module, they do a test for vendor parts from the get go, and then assume they're all the same (ISO 9001, 9002). they might do a random test here and there to cover their ass.
OK, so if they sell 1 million iMac's a year that's $160,000,000.00 they have budgeted for RAM testing.... yeah right.