Apple Should Take Note From Linux
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I'm a HUGE apple fan, don't get me wrong. I've been with apple since the Apple 2e. I'm really loving Panther, but I'm also a huge fan of Linux. It is just as stable, if not more than OS X, and you can customize the daylights out of it. There dock is extremely amazing! It combines the usefulness of icons (like apple), multiple desktops (like linux), and minimize windows (like windows). The best thing about linux is that it's free and so is all the software.
This is just a thought, but I feel apple can get huge ideas from Linux. I'd be happy if apple changed there dock to the Linux kind. It is just well planed out unlike apples.
Thank You.
I'm a HUGE apple fan, don't get me wrong. I've been with apple since the Apple 2e. I'm really loving Panther, but I'm also a huge fan of Linux. It is just as stable, if not more than OS X, and you can customize the daylights out of it. There dock is extremely amazing! It combines the usefulness of icons (like apple), multiple desktops (like linux), and minimize windows (like windows). The best thing about linux is that it's free and so is all the software.
This is just a thought, but I feel apple can get huge ideas from Linux. I'd be happy if apple changed there dock to the Linux kind. It is just well planed out unlike apples.
Thank You.
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That leaves virtual desktops, which IMHO are a sore spot. Apple's really sleeping on that one. They rule, period. It's like tabbed browsing: once you have it, you wonder how you ever lived without it (you mac users can't appreciate Virtual desktops 'cause you've never used 'em). Exposé is a poor substitute for the clarity and order of virtual desktops.
C'mon Apple, if you want Unix users, give Unix users what they need!
Originally posted by 10splayer
Hey
I'm a HUGE apple fan, don't get me wrong. I've been with apple since the Apple 2e. I'm really loving Panther, but I'm also a huge fan of Linux. It is just as stable, if not more than OS X, and you can customize the daylights out of it. There dock is extremely amazing! It combines the usefulness of icons (like apple), multiple desktops (like linux), and minimize windows (like windows). The best thing about linux is that it's free and so is all the software.
This is just a thought, but I feel apple can get huge ideas from Linux. I'd be happy if apple changed there dock to the Linux kind. It is just well planed out unlike apples.
Thank You.
LINUX SUCKS ASS
GO AWAY
About customization, I think it would be nice if Apple gave us some more flexibility on the interface, however too much customization will lead to some interface issues as well as usability issues (it can be annoying looking through a sea of irrelevant configuration options when you only want the relevant one).
I think what Apple believes is that they gives you the most optimized interface and lets you change only the most relevant aspects of it, for Apple believes that they know interface customization way better than anyone else.
Also, minimizing is the most worthless feature in the world
Originally posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R
C'mon Apple, if you want Unix users, give Unix users what they need!
OMG i can see it now, User downloads programme, reads instructions, opens terminal and cd's directory. "okay i gotta config it, cool done that!". "Now i gotta make it, eek, whats with these errors!" many hours later he's found the missing library that stopped him from making the programme, that was dependant on another programme, which depended on something else which also depended on a library that was buried within another library.
Thank god theres fink,gentoo and darwin ports already available for OSX, But wait theres X11 already and a freebsd core in the name of darwin. So what you need linux kernel built into OSX for? You can already do all the stuff in OSX that you can in linux!!!
Originally posted by 10splayer
There dock is extremely amazing! It combines the usefulness of icons (like apple), multiple desktops (like linux), and minimize windows (like windows).
It seems you're talking about KDE or Gnome - not Linux.
Originally posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R
Exposé is a poor substitute for the clarity and order of virtual desktops.
I think Apple is working on some kind of virtual desktop functionality in Exposé.
One of the hidden features minimizes the desktop into a little window and you now have a blank desktop.
They just need to kill the bugs and make it possible to minimize more than one desktop at a time and you'll have a great virtual desktop feature.
It seems you're talking about KDE or Gnome - not Linux.
If you downloaded and compiled the source for KDE/Gnome, would it run on OS X ? Are there any libraries missing from/not available for Mac OS X that they require ?
Originally posted by Stoo
If you downloaded and compiled the source for KDE/Gnome, would it run on OS X ? Are there any libraries missing from/not available for Mac OS X that they require ?
Gnome and kde are both available via fink and darwin portsaswell as other window managers.
Applenut, you need to think outside the box for a change.
I know that people can minimize windows in OS X and customize their icons, and no you can't get the date from iCal unless you open it up first (major pain). The Mac OS X dock is more of just a shortcut to display your favorite programs and folders, and to hold some windows when necessary. The linux dock is just better layed out. You have more functionality with it and can move it anywhere on the screen and customize it anyway you like it. People don't understand what I'm talking about until they try Linux, so if you've never used it, DON'T JUDGE IT UNTIL YOU DO.
Thank You.
Originally posted by 10splayer
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Applenut, you need to think outside the box for a change.
I know that people can minimize windows in OS X and customize their icons, and no you can't get the date from iCal unless you open it up first (major pain). The Mac OS X dock is more of just a shortcut to display your favorite programs and folders, and to hold some windows when necessary. The linux dock is just better layed out. You have more functionality with it and can move it anywhere on the screen and customize it anyway you like it. People don't understand what I'm talking about until they try Linux, so if you've never used it, DON'T JUDGE IT UNTIL YOU DO.
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So why dont you just get fink or darwin ports, download kde, gnome or whatever you like, hide the dock and run the kicker? You could even have it in your log in items so the kicker starts on boot.
Would I still be able to run OS X? Do the ports also allow you to run Linux?
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You can, however, use xfree86 and kde/gnome over Darwin. I believe you can simultaneously use kde/gnome and aqua too, so you can hack a kde/gnome dock into your OS X interface. Just install fink, xfree86, and your window manager, configure it (which is the hellish part), and startx in terminal.app.
Originally posted by 10splayer
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Would I still be able to run OS X? Do the ports also allow you to run Linux?
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Any of the window managers ie: gnome,kde,window maker,blackbox etc, run on top of OSX. Well your not exactly running linux your running Darwin which is based on freebsd. What fink and darwin ports does is ports apps from linux/freebsd so they run on OSX. If you have jag all you need to do is download apples X11(which is accellerated) and get fink from http://fink.sourceforge.net. If on the other hand you have panther than apples X11 is already included but you'll have to wait a few days for fink while they update it for panther. All in all, the whole of KDE, Gnome etc and all the apps run through X11 on top of OSX much like windows apps run in linux on wine. If you check out finks site you can browse the package list and see whats ported and whats being ported.
(By the way, dont use the X11 that fink asks to install as its not accellerated)
Does doing all that stuff slow down your computer speed? I'm not sure I'd want to run it if it makes my computer slower than it already is.
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Originally posted by 10splayer
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Does doing all that stuff slow down your computer speed? I'm not sure I'd want to run it if it makes my computer slower than it already is.
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Not in the slightest. It will only be slow if you use the Unaccelerated X11 that come with fink.
Where would i find fink or darwin ports?
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Originally posted by 10splayer
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Where would i find fink or darwin ports?
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Fink
Thanks, what's better, Fink or DarwinPorts?
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Do you run it?
Originally posted by 10splayer
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Thanks, what's better, Fink or DarwinPorts?
Thank You.
Do you run it?
fink is better for first timers, its as easy as opening a terminal and typing sudo dselect and then selecting which package you want. I do use fink but ive just upgraded to panther and waiting for them to release the updated package. Anyways have fun, and once you get used to using fink you soon see why you dont need to use linux.
At least terminal.app allows focus-follows-mouse. Now if OS X/Finder did, I'd be a real happy camper. Besides virtual desktops, this is the #1 reason I can't use emacs, the gimp and other apps of choice under OS X's wm.
The fink crew keeps saying 10.3 support is spotty and uneven, but IME it is about 99% as good as it was under 10.2