I think a 5 or 6 inch square that you could hold in your hand and take with you would be cool to play media on. Could look about like the oqo handheld computer have a couple versions, like a 1, 5, and 10 gig version and it would be cool.
Would be wonderful to carry over to grandma's house and show her a movie made in imovie of your kids washing a dog also hold photos on it. Think of it as a next generation photoalbum.
A hanging lcd screen just doesn't do it for me. It just wouldn't work, hanging an lcd on your wall with a powercord hanging down from it, ack! Digital photo albums would rock, think of what you could market it as... Pictures getting lost/destroyed/faded/eaten by dog... No longer with the Iholdthisinmyhandandlookatphotos.......
And yes, i have serene screen running on my computer right now. It came with the windows XP plus pack. By the way if you haven't bought it yet, its the biggest rip off from microsoft that i've ever seen. You pay 50 bucks, get some shareware/demo games, windows media player skins, and desktop themes. 4 games, 3 skins, 4 themes, or something like that.
It's almost as bad as Microsoft liscensing agreements to businesses. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Oh ya, i hope we never see a digital camera, or video camera from apple, it would be a total waste of R&D there are already awesome cameras from nikon, and great digicams from sony/panasanic. And i doubt that apple's ideas of simplicity would go too well with either of those products.
<strong>Oh ya, i hope we never see a digital camera, or video camera from apple, it would be a total waste of R&D there are already awesome cameras from nikon, and great digicams from sony/panasanic. And i doubt that apple's ideas of simplicity would go too well with either of those products.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree, and this iFrame is just another waste of time.
Actually, I think an "iFrame" would be nice. I enjoy taking photos and find the idea of a wall mounted photo album kinda cool. But I also think it would just cost too much money for me to ever be able to pick one up. And even if I COULD get my hands on one, I'd be too paranoid that it'd fall off the wall <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Most of the above (about 70%) has already been discussed previously in threads here on AI. It seems that it is "cucumber time" while we are waiting for the 13th .... (that's a Danish XPression, btw)
Ensoniq nailed it: even a basic iFrame needs what you can find in an iPod, PLUS a useful screen, PLUS Airport (or possibly Bluetooth?) .... now do the maths.
The price/capability ratio for that is not good - either the price of the hw has to come down, or you need to add capabilities (in sw) ....
And you are discussing three different things: a basic iFrame, an extended iPod for graphics, and an iBlet.
Having said that, in principle the distributed Apple Experience described about is very interesting - and probably feasible in a medium timeframe (five years?).
<strong>it would cost over 1000 dollars and there would be little market for it. it would be Rendevousz enabled and also have a firewire and usb port for downloading directly
there is a little market for it, but if Apple made it, i would probably want it anyway, woe it the consumer who loves the red bumpy sphere <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Audiovox, RCA, Aiwa and others can make a portable DVD player for under $400. Adding a few ports or Bluetooth shouldn't add $600 to the cost.
Even merging it with a 5G iPod would should add less than $300.
I somtimes check out this digital video rumor site ( <a href="http://www.supervideo.com"; target="_blank">http://www.supervideo.com</a>; ) and the guy there seems to think OLEDs are the next big thing in display tech. Below is a quote from his website.
He is always going on about how these displays are just around the corner for a fraction of LCD prices. Anyway, if these things live up to their hype then they would make a great iFrame. I don't think LCDs will ever fit the bill. Why waste a display of that price by hanging it on a wall just to show photos?
Somewhere else on his site he quotes a recent breakthrough at MIT where they discovered that OLEDs actually respond to light by making electricity...so they can provide their own power as well!! Sounds like a display version of a perpetual motion machine to me. I will believe it when I see it.
[quote] Here Come The 2002 OLED TV's !!!!!
Tokyo June 15th Reuters:Â* Sony & Samsung announced today the
beginning production of TV set OLED's for 2003 Holidays.Â* This wasÂ*
on the heels of yesterday's Epson/Cambridge announcement of OLED third quarter 2002 for Laptop / Notebook screens up to 14".
Cooler (no heat) and lighter (one ounce for every pound a Plasma screen) and far cheaper ( 1/8th to 1/9th the price) OLED's will be marching over the display landscape to over take all tube, all plasma and even all projection sales four years into production the Samsung spokesman said.Â*Â*
Several manufacturing giants, including Sanyo Electric, Samsung Electronics and a unit of Pioneer, are working on OLED screens using so-called "small molecule" technology developed by Eastman Kodak. Cambridge Display has an alternative polymer technology that, while still less developed than Kodak's, could overcome cost and size hurdles posed by vacuum deposition used in the smallÂ* molecule process.
Sanyo and Kodak began making OLED screens with small-molecule technology at a plant in Japan earlier this year and have already begunÂ* shipments to customers (1st quarter 2002).
Sanyo plans to use the screens in cell phones this August. Motorola has had it's first OLED cell phone on the market five months now and Sony's begins
next week with Nokia to follow next month in a test market.
Unlike LCDs, however, OLEDs emit light directly and do not require a back light, allowing a lighter-weight display that is barely thicker than a credit card.Â*
I just saw a demonstration of OLED screens - OMG!!!!!!
They display so much better, with an almost 80 degree viewing angle and vibrant colors, than "normal" screens. I was stunned! Now I know what people are excited about. If such a screen could be used on an iFrame or PowerPod, or whatever, THEN things start looking up.
There are still a few problems with OLED screens, such as fragility, a limited range of colors, and a higher price than LEDs. However, they anticipate that all that will change within a short to medium time horizon, and apparently cellphones with 3" OLED screens will be introduced very soon (by Sanyo?).
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Would be wonderful to carry over to grandma's house and show her a movie made in imovie of your kids washing a dog
A hanging lcd screen just doesn't do it for me. It just wouldn't work, hanging an lcd on your wall with a powercord hanging down from it, ack! Digital photo albums would rock, think of what you could market it as... Pictures getting lost/destroyed/faded/eaten by dog... No longer with the Iholdthisinmyhandandlookatphotos.......
And yes, i have serene screen running on my computer right now. It came with the windows XP plus pack. By the way if you haven't bought it yet, its the biggest rip off from microsoft that i've ever seen. You pay 50 bucks, get some shareware/demo games, windows media player skins, and desktop themes. 4 games, 3 skins, 4 themes, or something like that.
It's almost as bad as Microsoft liscensing agreements to businesses. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 08-07-2002: Message edited by: MicrosoftOsXp ]</p>
<strong>Oh ya, i hope we never see a digital camera, or video camera from apple, it would be a total waste of R&D there are already awesome cameras from nikon, and great digicams from sony/panasanic. And i doubt that apple's ideas of simplicity would go too well with either of those products.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree, and this iFrame is just another waste of time.
<strong>and great digicams from sony</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ha ha ha ha ha. No. Try Canon.
Ensoniq nailed it: even a basic iFrame needs what you can find in an iPod, PLUS a useful screen, PLUS Airport (or possibly Bluetooth?) .... now do the maths.
The price/capability ratio for that is not good - either the price of the hw has to come down, or you need to add capabilities (in sw) ....
And you are discussing three different things: a basic iFrame, an extended iPod for graphics, and an iBlet.
Having said that, in principle the distributed Apple Experience described about is very interesting - and probably feasible in a medium timeframe (five years?).
engpjp
<strong>it would cost over 1000 dollars and there would be little market for it. it would be Rendevousz enabled and also have a firewire and usb port for downloading directly
there is a little market for it, but if Apple made it, i would probably want it anyway, woe it the consumer who loves the red bumpy sphere <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Audiovox, RCA, Aiwa and others can make a portable DVD player for under $400. Adding a few ports or Bluetooth shouldn't add $600 to the cost.
Even merging it with a 5G iPod would should add less than $300.
[ 08-09-2002: Message edited by: MrBillData ]</p>
BEN
He is always going on about how these displays are just around the corner for a fraction of LCD prices. Anyway, if these things live up to their hype then they would make a great iFrame. I don't think LCDs will ever fit the bill. Why waste a display of that price by hanging it on a wall just to show photos?
Somewhere else on his site he quotes a recent breakthrough at MIT where they discovered that OLEDs actually respond to light by making electricity...so they can provide their own power as well!! Sounds like a display version of a perpetual motion machine to me. I will believe it when I see it.
[quote] Here Come The 2002 OLED TV's !!!!!
Tokyo June 15th Reuters:Â* Sony & Samsung announced today the
beginning production of TV set OLED's for 2003 Holidays.Â* This wasÂ*
on the heels of yesterday's Epson/Cambridge announcement of OLED third quarter 2002 for Laptop / Notebook screens up to 14".
Cooler (no heat) and lighter (one ounce for every pound a Plasma screen) and far cheaper ( 1/8th to 1/9th the price) OLED's will be marching over the display landscape to over take all tube, all plasma and even all projection sales four years into production the Samsung spokesman said.Â*Â*
Several manufacturing giants, including Sanyo Electric, Samsung Electronics and a unit of Pioneer, are working on OLED screens using so-called "small molecule" technology developed by Eastman Kodak. Cambridge Display has an alternative polymer technology that, while still less developed than Kodak's, could overcome cost and size hurdles posed by vacuum deposition used in the smallÂ* molecule process.
Sanyo and Kodak began making OLED screens with small-molecule technology at a plant in Japan earlier this year and have already begunÂ* shipments to customers (1st quarter 2002).
Sanyo plans to use the screens in cell phones this August. Motorola has had it's first OLED cell phone on the market five months now and Sony's begins
next week with Nokia to follow next month in a test market.
Unlike LCDs, however, OLEDs emit light directly and do not require a back light, allowing a lighter-weight display that is barely thicker than a credit card.Â*
<hr></blockquote>
They display so much better, with an almost 80 degree viewing angle and vibrant colors, than "normal" screens. I was stunned! Now I know what people are excited about. If such a screen could be used on an iFrame or PowerPod, or whatever, THEN things start looking up.
There are still a few problems with OLED screens, such as fragility, a limited range of colors, and a higher price than LEDs. However, they anticipate that all that will change within a short to medium time horizon, and apparently cellphones with 3" OLED screens will be introduced very soon (by Sanyo?).
engpjp