If you take a look at the seven (7) fans blowing across the new G5 Xserve processors, you will realize it will be a little while longer before the technology will make it into a 1 inch thick notebook.
Actually, it's eight fans, but whose counting? Anyway, it will be some time before we find a G5 in a PowerBook at it's current thickness. Maybe a 1.75" thick PowerBook, like the xServe, but not in a less than one inch design.
This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!
That's all nice and stuff, but the heat still has to go somewhere. Where do you dissipate all of that heat? Cooling technology can move the heat around better, but it still has to get to the air somehow (instead of my lap, for example).
I'm sure G5s will be Powerbooks one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!
Eh, why not WWDC? Speaking of which, when is that scheduled for this year? Will it be back in it's traditionally May slot, or will it be in the June 23-27 slot used for the G5 rollout last year?
Anywho I don't think we will see a Powerbook G5 for a while, until the cooling issues can be worked out by Apple. We don't want to start fires now do we
Eh, why not WWDC? Speaking of which, when is that scheduled for this year? Will it be back in it's traditionally May slot, or will it be in the June 23-27 slot used for the G5 rollout last year?
The G5s were launched at the end of August. WWDC seems to have been moved in order to get Panther betas out at the event.
Heat is a very bad thing in a laptop. Moving it around really accomplishes nothing, what is needed is a low power chip set solution for the Laptops that can atleast double present performance. Sorry but there is nothing we know about, from the 970, that will allow a laptop at a reasonable power point.
Look at it this way - heat is power. In a laptop it is wasted power that only comes from the battery. Good laptop design involves the use of power frugal chips.
Moving the heat of a 970, with something like what cooligy is trying to sell, is IMHO the absolute wrong approach. Apples customers would reject such machines for anumber of reasons not the least of which is battery pefromance / battery size.
Thanks
Dave
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Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights
That's all nice and stuff, but the heat still has to go somewhere. Where do you dissipate all of that heat? Cooling technology can move the heat around better, but it still has to get to the air somehow (instead of my lap, for example).
I'm sure G5s will be Powerbooks one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
Anywho I don't think we will see a Powerbook G5 for a while, until the cooling issues can be worked out by Apple. We don't want to start fires now do we
I don't want fires to start...but as a firefighter, they do give me a job Now, I'm not encouraging any of you to go out and light things on fire, but, it never hurts to have some business...just try not to hurt yourself!
G5 PBs will show up soon enough, it's Apple we're talking about here. If anyone can do it, they can, and they will, and it will be better than any of us can imagine.
1. powerbook trade-in ends @ the end of MArch...no way it would be continued with g5 powerbooks
2. SJ said there will be no g5 powerbooks before 2004
3. Apple wants to create a 64bit OS soon and get all of its customers g5s.
4. Cooligy makes the chip start off cooler..and if you can get a super hot chip to run at g4 temps, then the cooling will not be an issue. Cooigy's technolgy absorbs heat at the point of orgin and utilizes an efficient system of liquid cooling. Considering they have announced their technology already, it is pretty obvious it has had a decent amount of time for beta testing and research with its orgins at Stanford.
5. Apple doesn't plan its product roadmap 6 months before the product is anticipated to launch, and it is pretty obvious the development cycle of the pb g5 started near the time of the powermac g5. I just think it was a little harder than expected to produce.
6. Those xserves have a 90nm chip.
I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC.
I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC. I think that that's the best case scenario
Damn strait! I would like to think that it would come before the Summer, so I, as well as other students, can get it in their hands. I would really really really like to have a G5 PowerBook, beyond words, I would say. It would just be SOOOooo much more powerful!
So, let's see, It will not come before March, and maybe on June 29th at WWDC. So... that would be a second best case scenario.
BEST case scenario would be April 5th, 12th, 19th, or 26th.
Hhmmm, my friends and I were hoping (but not expecting, there is a difference) to see a G5 PowerBook by November '03. When that didn't happen we hoped for MWSF. Now we are hoping for the next major event.
It doesn't affect me so much as to when we see G5 PowerBooks as I have the current 17". My friend however is still using a G3 Pismo in conjunction with his 1.42 Ghz Cube. He would have bought the 17" when I did except that he has made a mental commitment to purchase a G5 PB as soon as they come out (hence the hoping).
I am not expecting to see G5's in PowerBooks until AT LEAST November this year simply becaus ethere is obviously WAY too many cooling issues to deal with. When I first saw the G5 Power Mac I honestly felt that all the fans were there to reduce overall noise (1 fan running full tilt is louder than 7 running at 1/7 tilt) as well as leave the system expandable to future processors that may have run even hotter. But looking at the G5 XServe with all thoise fans lined up DIRECTLY on the processors (as well as the "speed" holes in the front onf the case), it seems obvious that the trade off for speed is heat.
I can just see Steve's conversation with IBM, it may have gone something like this:
"Hey there IBM. I need to get back into this game with a kick ass system! People like big numbers so I need a processor which is 64 bit, starts with a top end at 2 Ghz and will go to 3Ghz in a year (plus blah plus blah plus blah)!!! That should win them back!! What do you mean it'll run hot?!?!?! You worry about speed, Ives will worry about heat!!!"
i think the current design was for future revisions
the g5s i have been close with seem to be ok in terms of heat dissapation.
by the way MWNY does not exist. DOES NOT EXIST.
my guess is:
G5 upgrade in Powermacs this month or imminent.
G5 powerbooks starting at 1.6 ghz and 90nm before school starts ( i know this sounds way early but i look at the site and the ibook and powerbooks are too close, somethings gotta happen)
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But it will happen, no doubt.
cooligy
This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!
Originally posted by jade
cooligy
That's all nice and stuff, but the heat still has to go somewhere. Where do you dissipate all of that heat? Cooling technology can move the heat around better, but it still has to get to the air somehow (instead of my lap, for example).
I'm sure G5s will be Powerbooks one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
Originally posted by jade
i think the one inch powerbook g5s will appear.
cooligy
This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!
Your kidding yourself.
Anywho I don't think we will see a Powerbook G5 for a while, until the cooling issues can be worked out by Apple. We don't want to start fires now do we
Originally posted by Crusader
Eh, why not WWDC? Speaking of which, when is that scheduled for this year? Will it be back in it's traditionally May slot, or will it be in the June 23-27 slot used for the G5 rollout last year?
The G5s were launched at the end of August. WWDC seems to have been moved in order to get Panther betas out at the event.
anytime soon.
i doesnt make sense.
be REASONABLE.
the only answer is the rumoured 750vx chip,or whatever it will be called.
that is what apple will put in the new powerbooks and ibooks.
ive been lobbying for this for a while only to be mocked.
but now your laughter has turned to tears.
look.
the G5 produces pentium-like heat.
its only reasonable that apple like intel would find a solution in low-wattage processors like the centrinos or whatever they are called.
that is what WILL happen.
Look at it this way - heat is power. In a laptop it is wasted power that only comes from the battery. Good laptop design involves the use of power frugal chips.
Moving the heat of a 970, with something like what cooligy is trying to sell, is IMHO the absolute wrong approach. Apples customers would reject such machines for anumber of reasons not the least of which is battery pefromance / battery size.
Thanks
Dave
Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights
That's all nice and stuff, but the heat still has to go somewhere. Where do you dissipate all of that heat? Cooling technology can move the heat around better, but it still has to get to the air somehow (instead of my lap, for example).
I'm sure G5s will be Powerbooks one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
Originally posted by Crusader
Anywho I don't think we will see a Powerbook G5 for a while, until the cooling issues can be worked out by Apple. We don't want to start fires now do we
I don't want fires to start...but as a firefighter, they do give me a job
G5 PBs will show up soon enough, it's Apple we're talking about here. If anyone can do it, they can, and they will, and it will be better than any of us can imagine.
... and: if you can stick a G5 in PB, you can stick two 1GHz G4s in a PB 17" ...
Originally posted by Nebagakid
what about that PowerBook trade-in program?
what?
Originally posted by gar
what?
where you trade in yer current TiBook for credit towards an AluBook...
Originally posted by Nebagakid
where you trade in yer current TiBook for credit towards an AluBook...
noooooooooooo... murderer, my powerbook is my precious... no trading in, it's mine
i know clive will laugh his ass of but i wait for the one to rule them all:
powerbook G5.
2. SJ said there will be no g5 powerbooks before 2004
3. Apple wants to create a 64bit OS soon and get all of its customers g5s.
4. Cooligy makes the chip start off cooler..and if you can get a super hot chip to run at g4 temps, then the cooling will not be an issue. Cooigy's technolgy absorbs heat at the point of orgin and utilizes an efficient system of liquid cooling. Considering they have announced their technology already, it is pretty obvious it has had a decent amount of time for beta testing and research with its orgins at Stanford.
5. Apple doesn't plan its product roadmap 6 months before the product is anticipated to launch, and it is pretty obvious the development cycle of the pb g5 started near the time of the powermac g5. I just think it was a little harder than expected to produce.
6. Those xserves have a 90nm chip.
I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC.
Originally posted by jade
1. powerbook trade-in ends @ the end of MArch...no way it would be continued with g5 powerbooks
2. SJ said there will be no g5 powerbooks before 2004
it's 2004...
I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC.
I think that that's the best case scenario
[edited quote]
Originally posted by gar
it's 2004...
I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC. I think that that's the best case scenario
Damn strait! I would like to think that it would come before the Summer, so I, as well as other students, can get it in their hands. I would really really really like to have a G5 PowerBook, beyond words, I would say. It would just be SOOOooo much more powerful!
So, let's see, It will not come before March, and maybe on June 29th at WWDC. So... that would be a second best case scenario.
BEST case scenario would be April 5th, 12th, 19th, or 26th.
It doesn't affect me so much as to when we see G5 PowerBooks as I have the current 17". My friend however is still using a G3 Pismo in conjunction with his 1.42 Ghz Cube. He would have bought the 17" when I did except that he has made a mental commitment to purchase a G5 PB as soon as they come out (hence the hoping).
I am not expecting to see G5's in PowerBooks until AT LEAST November this year simply becaus ethere is obviously WAY too many cooling issues to deal with. When I first saw the G5 Power Mac I honestly felt that all the fans were there to reduce overall noise (1 fan running full tilt is louder than 7 running at 1/7 tilt) as well as leave the system expandable to future processors that may have run even hotter. But looking at the G5 XServe with all thoise fans lined up DIRECTLY on the processors (as well as the "speed" holes in the front onf the case), it seems obvious that the trade off for speed is heat.
I can just see Steve's conversation with IBM, it may have gone something like this:
"Hey there IBM. I need to get back into this game with a kick ass system! People like big numbers so I need a processor which is 64 bit, starts with a top end at 2 Ghz and will go to 3Ghz in a year (plus blah plus blah plus blah)!!! That should win them back!! What do you mean it'll run hot?!?!?! You worry about speed, Ives will worry about heat!!!"
And hence the G5 electric stove!!!
the g5s i have been close with seem to be ok in terms of heat dissapation.
by the way MWNY does not exist. DOES NOT EXIST.
my guess is:
G5 upgrade in Powermacs this month or imminent.
G5 powerbooks starting at 1.6 ghz and 90nm before school starts ( i know this sounds way early but i look at the site and the ibook and powerbooks are too close, somethings gotta happen)
iPod mini Price drop at this time as well
G4 ibooks will go dual (you heard it here first!)