<strong>Sorry if this has already been posted</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nope. And 'yum'.
Me, I'll believe this rumor, and not the rumor that says just the opposite or the rumor that says something similar, but not really, involving Motorola and not IBM, except when IBM is involved. And as for that AMD rumor, I'll believe that one a little, for as it doesn't agree with this rumor, it's a very fine rumor - certainly one worth believing - and if I didn't believe it a little then it might not be believed at all, and that'd be a shame, as it's a very fine rumor. That x86 rumor isn't a very nice rumor. I mean, it is a good rumor as rumors go, but it's not one that I'm fond of hearing, so it's not nice and I'll not believe it. I thought of a song today:
The "Gpul" thing sent up a red flag. Wasn't Moki mentioning something about "Ul" in previous posts? I'm searching for them right now. He was being very secretive about it. If you find it let me know. Post the thread.
The "Gpul" thing sent up a red flag. Wasn't Moki mentioning something about "Ul" in previous posts? I'm searching for them right now. He was being very secretive about it. If you find it let me know. Post the thread.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ur, this thread, actually.
8/19:
"Apple wouldn't be using the POWER5 in its machines anyway, unless it decided to get into ultra-high end computing.
Apple will be looking to use the new die-shrunk POWER4 (aka GP-UL), not the POWER5."
But the first mention that I know of is this on 8/3:
Moki was ahead of the game on that one. GP-UL is not a common term and it returns almost nothing on Google worthwhile. I would have loved to be able to substantiate the existence of "ApplePI" Perhaps the new controller in the MDD Powermacs might shed some light? At any rate. I wish I new what Moki does. He definitely knows something.
I was ready for serious despair after the 'tissue of lies'.
It looks like 2003. This time. September shipping with maybe a Macworld New York demo.
It's nice to hear they've got prototypes up and running. It's too much to suppose we'll have the IBM chip in four months at San Fran given the snail pace of G4 updates. The G4 looks like it will have 'one more' update.
In the meantime, maybe the 'Register's' 1.6 Rapid Io G4 will make it to the battlefronts? If not, where does the G4 'power'Mac go in the meantime? 1.6 gig on the 167 bus we've got now?
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Am I the only guy on these boards that thinks the Indesign 2 bundle with a low end 'power'Mac is insane? That's over £600 squid in UK mullarice.
With such an improved new chip I have to assume (the mother of all fsck-ups) that we'll get new a system bus and true DDR RAM. It seems to me that some of the supporting new technology will come out (ala the "Yikes" and even the new DDR PowerMacs) before the new processors hit the market. I expect to see speed bumped G4's for a while, but on HyperTransport or Rapid I/O machines. DDR RAM has to wait for the new chip, so that will stay in its current half-assed form.
<strong>With such an improved new chip I have to assume (the mother of all fsck-ups) that we'll get new a system bus and true DDR RAM. It seems to me that some of the supporting new technology will come out (ala the "Yikes" and even the new DDR PowerMacs) before the new processors hit the market. I expect to see speed bumped G4's for a while, but on HyperTransport or Rapid I/O machines. DDR RAM has to wait for the new chip, so that will stay in its current half-assed form.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We already have "true DDR RAM" -- I have one sitting under my desk in fact. There is nothing fake or half-assed about the current DDR memory system, the issue you have is only with the processor's front side bus. The new machines take advantage of the full DDR bandwidth, its just their main processors don't... the rest of the system does. This includes the video card and disk I/O which are very fast on these machines.
The MacEdition post above fits in very nicely with numerous other sources and is self-consistent. The Apple Processor Interconnect bus fits perfectly with the "Apple Pi" rumours from quite a while back, and this fits in with the rumour that Motorola "refused to incorporate Apple Pi into the G5" since Motorola's avowed direction is RapidIO. IBM is much more amenable to customer design requirements and while they are signed up to RapidIO, they aren't so invested in it as Motorola. Since the new processor will have 6.4 GB/sec memory bandwidth Apple will need a bus that can handle that and allow for efficient SMP designs. HyperTransport isn't necessarily the best choice, although it wouldn't surprise me if Apple Pi was some superset or extension of HyperTransport. Apple has designed other kinds of busses before (e.g. FireWire) and this is much more likely than them designing their own processor.
The late-2003 timeline just makes sense. The market should have picked up by then, the new IBM fab will be fully up to speed, the 64-bit OS should be ready, and importantly DDR-II will be in mass production. No current memory technology appropriate for use in motherboard DIMMs is available at the moment which can provide the sort of bandwidth that we're talking about... DDR333 is only 2.7 GB/sec, and DDR400 is only 20% more and not an official standard (yes, I'm deliberately ignoring RamBus). Going to dual banks is awkward and expensive, and requires pairing DIMMs (again). The DDR-II solution will be much more elegant and provide better performance.
Between now-and-then Moki has talked about an enhanced memory controller that contains some kind of additional DSP-like processing units. I'd expect these to show up in January along with another clock rate bump into the 1.4-1.5 GHz range (still duals, hopefully with a 0.13 micron G4). This isn't the end of the world and Apple will last until the new chip is ready (at least as long as the PC market as a whole doesn't collapse completely)... there are real people out there who need machines to do real work, and the current machines are very capable of that work (and despite all the moaning, in practice they are very fast). Knowing that the new IBM processor is coming might cause some people to wait, but it gives other people confidence that Apple has a future and thus buying their hardware now is okay.
this is incredibly good news to wake up to on a saturday morning. alas, i won't be waiting yet another year for such a computer. but, after nearly 5 years with the same machine (heavily upgraded), i need more power. the current dualie line is good (with well known limitations).
it is my contention that 90% of AI-types that want a G5(with DDR-whatever and RIO/HT/ApplePI) really don't need one and would be incredibly happy with even a dual-867.
"Between now-and-then Moki has talked about an enhanced memory controller that contains some kind of additional DSP-like processing units. I'd expect these to show up in January along with another clock rate bump into the 1.4-1.5 GHz range (still duals, hopefully with a 0.13 micron G4). This isn't the end of the world and Apple will last until the new chip is ready (at least as long as the PC market as a whole doesn't collapse completely)..."
This wouldn't be 'too bad' in light of the 'Hammer's' delay. As regular 'insiders know, I have a real 'bee in my bonnet' about Apple offering something competitive with their 'power'Mac line. And it's obvious lack of progress is hurting Apple's flagship line of computers. Even recent Macworld reviews of the latest update are quite lukewarm...
The 'enhanced memory controller' .13 G4 with clocks of 1-4 to 1-6 (AND ALL DUAL, as you say...) at least makes me think Apple is starting to make a 'fist of it'. Such a machine would look okay compared to a '3000' xp.
The Register said this machine was the one to watch for and would be out for San Fran 2003. I'd sure like the Register's prediction to come true. More than likely if they get that right then any news they have about the Powerlite will be mouthwatering.
"...there are real people out there who need machines to do real work, and the current machines are very capable of that work (and despite all the moaning, in practice they are very fast)."
There's no doubt that if I had one, they'd be 'fast enough', certainly for general productivity, web, Photoshop work and 3d work you need to leave to render over night. (But that's not the point in the grand scheme of things... )
"Knowing that the new IBM processor is coming might cause some people to wait, but it gives other people confidence that Apple has a future and thus buying their hardware now is okay."
Well, I'm seriously ending my several year stand off with Apple. The reason has less to do with the lacklustre update to the pro' line and more to do with the incredible 'Indesign' bundle. I could always ebay the machine later and put the cash to the Powerlite if and when it came. (Speaking of which, will the old towers be worth anything when the Powerlite ships?)
Your point about knowing that something good is coming means you can buy knowing your Apple future is secure or if they wait...they can at least count down the months.
"this is incredibly good news to wake up to on a saturday morning. alas, i won't be waiting yet another year for such a computer. but, after nearly 5 years with the same machine (heavily upgraded), i need more power."
I know what you mean. After waiting several years, I hope that I don't have to wait for another year! Hopefully, the 'twelve o clock' count down to G5 has finally begun!
"the current dualie line is good (with well known limitations)."
I'd contest that. With time and a half if yer lucky (see latest Macworld reviews...) it's merely papering over the cracks to me. Maybe the low end one, with an Indesign 2 bundle is okay.
"it is my contention that 90% of AI-types that want a G5(with DDR-whatever and RIO/HT/ApplePI) really don't need one and would be incredibly happy with even a dual-867."
I contest that part 2. We all need more power. Otherwise computers would never advance, Apple wouldn't get the sales and be out of business.
You could argue that web, photoshop and lightwave work could be done 'fast enough'.
- Web pages don't load fast enough.
- Photoshop 300 dpi files still make XP and 'power'Mac machines work too hard for my liking.
- Lightwave renders. Have to 'wait' for them. I want real time raytracing and scene previews. 3d can be very slow, tiresome and boring as you wait around for the cpu to do the 'render/preview' etc.
- I'm sure the same could be said of science bods that want DNA encoding programs to discover cures for exotic diseases. (Grasping there...know nothing of what science wants...)
But what I do know is that it still takes too long to boot up, programs still 'load' up and well, in general, I want things to happen yesterday instead of the pauses we still get on gig plus computers.
Fast enough? Not in my opinion. Not for any of the work I do.
It does feel good to hear such reports. This one makes more sense than the report saying Apple turned IBM down. I never could believe that one, since IBM wouldn't invest in developing such a chip and not work closely with large customers. In this case, I bet it was Apple who initiated the cooperation on this G5. You just know Steve will call it that.
I still say around October 15th we should find out something. I cannot imagine the world finding out the details on this chip, and Apple just saying absolutely nothing. It could do major damage to sales of PowerMacs. But, maybe this is the reason for no OS 9 booting? If new PowerMacs are coming that will not boot OS 9, those who need to run in OS 9 for a couple more years will stock up on the existing PowerMacs. No?
What i would really like is a .09 g4. Mot already has the fabs, dont they? And a .09 g4 at 1.8-2ghz would look splendid indeed. Even if on a 166mhz bus(if the 7470 exists, then a 333mhz bus would be even better) :-)
Some of the terms in this rumor just came together in my head, and made some music:
GigaProcessor UltraLite, suggests that individually, these processors will be quite capable, but not mindblowing.
Apple Processor Interconnect sounds like tomething specifically designed for multiprocessor configurations.
This suggests that these processors may be designed specifically to work really well in multiprocessing, possibly in 4-, 8-, or even higher numbers.
This seems to make sense for Apple for 2 reasons:
1. Most heavy duty tasks that people complain about in the creative professional arena (audio, 3d, photoshop) are very well suited to the application of multiple processors.
2. Apple got stuck once before in clockspeed. This would give them a measure of independence from pure clockspeed in upgrading their machines. Instead they can just increase the number of CPUs.
Will Apple still be able to fake its way through until then with the G4 while Intel and AMD clock up to 3+GHz?
What until then? A highend Quad Proc G4?
Whatever comes out better be here by January 2k3.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It won't be. Don't worry, there's more to speed than GHz. Like Quartz Extreme. Jaguar uses the video card for some of the work previously done by the CPU. The results on my dual 800 with a GeForce3 have been amazing! The 1.25 GHz machines shipping in a couple of weeks and the 1.5 - 1.6GHz systems expected early next year will keep Apple in the game until next August or September, when I expect we'll all be very pleased indeed.
It's made me smile. I'm sure it's heartening for Mac worriers like moi self.
"This one makes more sense than the report saying Apple turned IBM down. I never could believe that one, since IBM wouldn't invest in developing such a chip and not work closely with large customers. In this case, I bet it was Apple who initiated the cooperation on this G5."
I know what you mean, Snoopy, this one seems 'too big' for Apple to have turned down or not initiated more to the point. And haven't we had people on these boards hinting at something called 'Apple Pi'? Are the planets moving to align me wonders.
"You just know Steve will call it that."
G5? Hell yeah. There'll be a riot if he calls it G4.
"I still say around October 15th we should find out something."
It's going to be very hard for Apple to keep a lid on something like that. Speculation will be rampant.
"I cannot imagine the world finding out the details on this chip, and Apple just saying absolutely nothing. It could do major damage to sales of PowerMacs."
If Apple were to be upfront then I'm sure people would continue to buy an update G4 in the meantime in the knowledge they could upgrade to a 'G5' later. I can't imagine Apple saying nothing either. At least 'announce' the new strategic partnership with IBM. Would probably do wonders for their share price too.
"But, maybe this is the reason for no OS 9 booting? If new PowerMacs are coming that will not boot OS 9,"
Well, that's the glimmer of light for those banking on a San Fran' G5. Though, I think Moki and Programmer's arguements on this one seem to point to a logical 1.6 .13 G4 in the meantime.
"those who need to run in OS 9 for a couple more years will stock up on the existing PowerMacs. No?"
Well, I'm sure many publishing houses will be quite happy with a 1.6 gig memory controller deluxe G4 with Quark Aqua.
January will be the start of the POWERMac comeback trail. I hope.
"1. Most heavy duty tasks that people complain about in the creative professional arena (audio, 3d, photoshop) are very well suited to the application of multiple processors.
2. Apple got stuck once before in clockspeed. This would give them a measure of independence from pure clockspeed in upgrading their machines. Instead they can just increase the number of CPUs."
On the money. If this 'Pi' is true...then Apple are right back in the game and it gives them lots of flexibility for the highend apps they bought.
Canny Apple-Pie, eh?
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. I wonder if the 'high' performance processor Moto'/Philips talked of will indeed be a .9 G4. Now that wouldn't be bad at all. 1.8 gig with DDR memory controller deluxe? Not bad...
[quote]But what I do know is that it still takes too long to boot up, programs still 'load' up and well, in general, I want things to happen yesterday instead of the pauses we still get on gig plus computers.
Fast enough? Not in my opinion. Not for any of the work I do.<hr></blockquote>
I think our problem with browsers has more to do with lackluster applications by Microsoft. The fact that Chimera renders pages much faster than IE added to the marvels that OmniWeb seems capable of once endowed with a new rendering engine suggests that OSX would be a dream web-machine once a worthy browser comes along.
As for your needs, you're probably right that given your tasks, even the fastest available Winbox isn't fast enough... but then you wouldn't be the 90% I was referring to.
Comments
<strong>Sorry if this has already been posted</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nope. And 'yum'.
Me, I'll believe this rumor, and not the rumor that says just the opposite or the rumor that says something similar, but not really, involving Motorola and not IBM, except when IBM is involved. And as for that AMD rumor, I'll believe that one a little, for as it doesn't agree with this rumor, it's a very fine rumor - certainly one worth believing - and if I didn't believe it a little then it might not be believed at all, and that'd be a shame, as it's a very fine rumor. That x86 rumor isn't a very nice rumor. I mean, it is a good rumor as rumors go, but it's not one that I'm fond of hearing, so it's not nice and I'll not believe it. I thought of a song today:
A-M-D, P-P-C,
This might be what I want to see,
I-B-M, M-O-T,
I have an itch, it's from a flea.
Whee-haw, whee-haw
What were we talking about again?
The "Gpul" thing sent up a red flag. Wasn't Moki mentioning something about "Ul" in previous posts? I'm searching for them right now. He was being very secretive about it. If you find it let me know. Post the thread.
At least now I know what "GPUL" stands for... No thanks to Moki!
Or do I? This is NMR, not Think Secret we're dealing with.
The acronyms match up with what has been discussed on these forums, which could mean that MacEdition is just trolling for hits.
Barto
*I love you Moki. I wish I had as much insider info as you did.
[ 09-14-2002: Message edited by: Barto ]</p>
<strong>Here's the question folks.
The "Gpul" thing sent up a red flag. Wasn't Moki mentioning something about "Ul" in previous posts? I'm searching for them right now. He was being very secretive about it. If you find it let me know. Post the thread.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ur, this thread, actually.
8/19:
"Apple wouldn't be using the POWER5 in its machines anyway, unless it decided to get into ultra-high end computing.
Apple will be looking to use the new die-shrunk POWER4 (aka GP-UL), not the POWER5."
But the first mention that I know of is this on 8/3:
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002118&p=5"; target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002118&p=5</a>;
quote: originally posted by The Mactivist:
I think IBM has something up it's sleeve. We'll see next year i guess.
"Is that a GP-UL in your pocket, or are ya just glad to see me?"
[ 09-14-2002: Message edited by: johnsonwax ]</p>
Bingo!
Moki was ahead of the game on that one. GP-UL is not a common term and it returns almost nothing on Google worthwhile. I would have loved to be able to substantiate the existence of "ApplePI" Perhaps the new controller in the MDD Powermacs might shed some light? At any rate. I wish I new what Moki does. He definitely knows something.
I was ready for serious despair after the 'tissue of lies'.
It looks like 2003. This time. September shipping with maybe a Macworld New York demo.
It's nice to hear they've got prototypes up and running. It's too much to suppose we'll have the IBM chip in four months at San Fran given the snail pace of G4 updates. The G4 looks like it will have 'one more' update.
In the meantime, maybe the 'Register's' 1.6 Rapid Io G4 will make it to the battlefronts? If not, where does the G4 'power'Mac go in the meantime? 1.6 gig on the 167 bus we've got now?
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Am I the only guy on these boards that thinks the Indesign 2 bundle with a low end 'power'Mac is insane? That's over £600 squid in UK mullarice.
Will Apple still be able to fake its way through until then with the G4 while Intel and AMD clock up to 3+GHz?
What until then? A highend Quad Proc G4?
Whatever comes out better be here by January 2k3.
I wonder how longg before "The Register" will take up this scoop.... along with the other rumor sites
GUYS! Looks like we found a nugget and AI is gathering steam!! kick ass
What a better way to woo those undecided people than with a whole new lineup of HW and processors, etc?
<strong>With such an improved new chip I have to assume (the mother of all fsck-ups) that we'll get new a system bus and true DDR RAM. It seems to me that some of the supporting new technology will come out (ala the "Yikes" and even the new DDR PowerMacs) before the new processors hit the market. I expect to see speed bumped G4's for a while, but on HyperTransport or Rapid I/O machines. DDR RAM has to wait for the new chip, so that will stay in its current half-assed form.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We already have "true DDR RAM" -- I have one sitting under my desk in fact. There is nothing fake or half-assed about the current DDR memory system, the issue you have is only with the processor's front side bus. The new machines take advantage of the full DDR bandwidth, its just their main processors don't... the rest of the system does. This includes the video card and disk I/O which are very fast on these machines.
The MacEdition post above fits in very nicely with numerous other sources and is self-consistent. The Apple Processor Interconnect bus fits perfectly with the "Apple Pi" rumours from quite a while back, and this fits in with the rumour that Motorola "refused to incorporate Apple Pi into the G5" since Motorola's avowed direction is RapidIO. IBM is much more amenable to customer design requirements and while they are signed up to RapidIO, they aren't so invested in it as Motorola. Since the new processor will have 6.4 GB/sec memory bandwidth Apple will need a bus that can handle that and allow for efficient SMP designs. HyperTransport isn't necessarily the best choice, although it wouldn't surprise me if Apple Pi was some superset or extension of HyperTransport. Apple has designed other kinds of busses before (e.g. FireWire) and this is much more likely than them designing their own processor.
The late-2003 timeline just makes sense. The market should have picked up by then, the new IBM fab will be fully up to speed, the 64-bit OS should be ready, and importantly DDR-II will be in mass production. No current memory technology appropriate for use in motherboard DIMMs is available at the moment which can provide the sort of bandwidth that we're talking about... DDR333 is only 2.7 GB/sec, and DDR400 is only 20% more and not an official standard (yes, I'm deliberately ignoring RamBus). Going to dual banks is awkward and expensive, and requires pairing DIMMs (again). The DDR-II solution will be much more elegant and provide better performance.
Between now-and-then Moki has talked about an enhanced memory controller that contains some kind of additional DSP-like processing units. I'd expect these to show up in January along with another clock rate bump into the 1.4-1.5 GHz range (still duals, hopefully with a 0.13 micron G4). This isn't the end of the world and Apple will last until the new chip is ready (at least as long as the PC market as a whole doesn't collapse completely)... there are real people out there who need machines to do real work, and the current machines are very capable of that work (and despite all the moaning, in practice they are very fast). Knowing that the new IBM processor is coming might cause some people to wait, but it gives other people confidence that Apple has a future and thus buying their hardware now is okay.
it is my contention that 90% of AI-types that want a G5(with DDR-whatever and RIO/HT/ApplePI) really don't need one and would be incredibly happy with even a dual-867.
na
This wouldn't be 'too bad' in light of the 'Hammer's' delay. As regular 'insiders know, I have a real 'bee in my bonnet' about Apple offering something competitive with their 'power'Mac line. And it's obvious lack of progress is hurting Apple's flagship line of computers. Even recent Macworld reviews of the latest update are quite lukewarm...
The 'enhanced memory controller' .13 G4 with clocks of 1-4 to 1-6 (AND ALL DUAL, as you say...) at least makes me think Apple is starting to make a 'fist of it'. Such a machine would look okay compared to a '3000' xp.
The Register said this machine was the one to watch for and would be out for San Fran 2003. I'd sure like the Register's prediction to come true. More than likely if they get that right then any news they have about the Powerlite will be mouthwatering.
"...there are real people out there who need machines to do real work, and the current machines are very capable of that work (and despite all the moaning, in practice they are very fast)."
There's no doubt that if I had one, they'd be 'fast enough', certainly for general productivity, web, Photoshop work and 3d work you need to leave to render over night. (But that's not the point in the grand scheme of things...
"Knowing that the new IBM processor is coming might cause some people to wait, but it gives other people confidence that Apple has a future and thus buying their hardware now is okay."
Well, I'm seriously ending my several year stand off with Apple. The reason has less to do with the lacklustre update to the pro' line and more to do with the incredible 'Indesign' bundle. I could always ebay the machine later and put the cash to the Powerlite if and when it came. (Speaking of which, will the old towers be worth anything when the Powerlite ships?)
Your point about knowing that something good is coming means you can buy knowing your Apple future is secure or if they wait...they can at least count down the months.
"this is incredibly good news to wake up to on a saturday morning. alas, i won't be waiting yet another year for such a computer. but, after nearly 5 years with the same machine (heavily upgraded), i need more power."
I know what you mean. After waiting several years, I hope that I don't have to wait for another year! Hopefully, the 'twelve o clock' count down to G5 has finally begun!
"the current dualie line is good (with well known limitations)."
I'd contest that. With time and a half if yer lucky (see latest Macworld reviews...) it's merely papering over the cracks to me. Maybe the low end one, with an Indesign 2 bundle is okay.
"it is my contention that 90% of AI-types that want a G5(with DDR-whatever and RIO/HT/ApplePI) really don't need one and would be incredibly happy with even a dual-867."
I contest that part 2. We all need more power. Otherwise computers would never advance, Apple wouldn't get the sales and be out of business.
You could argue that web, photoshop and lightwave work could be done 'fast enough'.
- Web pages don't load fast enough.
- Photoshop 300 dpi files still make XP and 'power'Mac machines work too hard for my liking.
- Lightwave renders. Have to 'wait' for them. I want real time raytracing and scene previews. 3d can be very slow, tiresome and boring as you wait around for the cpu to do the 'render/preview' etc.
- I'm sure the same could be said of science bods that want DNA encoding programs to discover cures for exotic diseases. (Grasping there...know nothing of what science wants...)
But what I do know is that it still takes too long to boot up, programs still 'load' up and well, in general, I want things to happen yesterday instead of the pauses we still get on gig plus computers.
Fast enough? Not in my opinion. Not for any of the work I do.
Lemon Bon Bon
[ 09-14-2002: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
I still say around October 15th we should find out something. I cannot imagine the world finding out the details on this chip, and Apple just saying absolutely nothing. It could do major damage to sales of PowerMacs. But, maybe this is the reason for no OS 9 booting? If new PowerMacs are coming that will not boot OS 9, those who need to run in OS 9 for a couple more years will stock up on the existing PowerMacs. No?
What i would really like is a .09 g4. Mot already has the fabs, dont they? And a .09 g4 at 1.8-2ghz would look splendid indeed. Even if on a 166mhz bus(if the 7470 exists, then a 333mhz bus would be even better) :-)
GigaProcessor UltraLite, suggests that individually, these processors will be quite capable, but not mindblowing.
Apple Processor Interconnect sounds like tomething specifically designed for multiprocessor configurations.
This suggests that these processors may be designed specifically to work really well in multiprocessing, possibly in 4-, 8-, or even higher numbers.
This seems to make sense for Apple for 2 reasons:
1. Most heavy duty tasks that people complain about in the creative professional arena (audio, 3d, photoshop) are very well suited to the application of multiple processors.
2. Apple got stuck once before in clockspeed. This would give them a measure of independence from pure clockspeed in upgrading their machines. Instead they can just increase the number of CPUs.
Does this make any sense?
terkans
<strong>November 2003?
Will Apple still be able to fake its way through until then with the G4 while Intel and AMD clock up to 3+GHz?
What until then? A highend Quad Proc G4?
Whatever comes out better be here by January 2k3.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It won't be. Don't worry, there's more to speed than GHz. Like Quartz Extreme. Jaguar uses the video card for some of the work previously done by the CPU. The results on my dual 800 with a GeForce3 have been amazing! The 1.25 GHz machines shipping in a couple of weeks and the 1.5 - 1.6GHz systems expected early next year will keep Apple in the game until next August or September, when I expect we'll all be very pleased indeed.
[ 09-14-2002: Message edited by: gfeier ]</p>
It's made me smile. I'm sure it's heartening for Mac worriers like moi self.
"This one makes more sense than the report saying Apple turned IBM down. I never could believe that one, since IBM wouldn't invest in developing such a chip and not work closely with large customers. In this case, I bet it was Apple who initiated the cooperation on this G5."
I know what you mean, Snoopy, this one seems 'too big' for Apple to have turned down or not initiated more to the point. And haven't we had people on these boards hinting at something called 'Apple Pi'? Are the planets moving to align me wonders.
"You just know Steve will call it that."
G5? Hell yeah. There'll be a riot if he calls it G4.
"I still say around October 15th we should find out something."
It's going to be very hard for Apple to keep a lid on something like that. Speculation will be rampant.
"I cannot imagine the world finding out the details on this chip, and Apple just saying absolutely nothing. It could do major damage to sales of PowerMacs."
If Apple were to be upfront then I'm sure people would continue to buy an update G4 in the meantime in the knowledge they could upgrade to a 'G5' later. I can't imagine Apple saying nothing either. At least 'announce' the new strategic partnership with IBM. Would probably do wonders for their share price too.
"But, maybe this is the reason for no OS 9 booting? If new PowerMacs are coming that will not boot OS 9,"
Well, that's the glimmer of light for those banking on a San Fran' G5. Though, I think Moki and Programmer's arguements on this one seem to point to a logical 1.6 .13 G4 in the meantime.
"those who need to run in OS 9 for a couple more years will stock up on the existing PowerMacs. No?"
Well, I'm sure many publishing houses will be quite happy with a 1.6 gig memory controller deluxe G4 with Quark Aqua.
January will be the start of the POWERMac comeback trail. I hope.
Lemon Bon Bon
2. Apple got stuck once before in clockspeed. This would give them a measure of independence from pure clockspeed in upgrading their machines. Instead they can just increase the number of CPUs."
On the money. If this 'Pi' is true...then Apple are right back in the game and it gives them lots of flexibility for the highend apps they bought.
Canny Apple-Pie, eh?
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. I wonder if the 'high' performance processor Moto'/Philips talked of will indeed be a .9 G4. Now that wouldn't be bad at all. 1.8 gig with DDR memory controller deluxe? Not bad...
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[quote]But what I do know is that it still takes too long to boot up, programs still 'load' up and well, in general, I want things to happen yesterday instead of the pauses we still get on gig plus computers.
Fast enough? Not in my opinion. Not for any of the work I do.<hr></blockquote>
I think our problem with browsers has more to do with lackluster applications by Microsoft. The fact that Chimera renders pages much faster than IE added to the marvels that OmniWeb seems capable of once endowed with a new rendering engine suggests that OSX would be a dream web-machine once a worthy browser comes along.
As for your needs, you're probably right that given your tasks, even the fastest available Winbox isn't fast enough... but then you wouldn't be the 90% I was referring to.
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