Ridiculous music argument with a friend...

messiahtoshmessiahtosh
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Dhuge67: Pepsi and Apple are giving away 100 million free songs

Dhuge67: legal downloads at iTunes.com



benzoXL: wow



Dhuge67: 1/3 win a code to redeem them under the cap, its cool



benzoXL: ill just wait til summer - download for freeeeeee



Dhuge67: they let you stream them...not physically download the file



benzoXL: i dont care - its not like im takin it anywhere, im not gonna have a car



Dhuge67: if you want to download the file to make it burnable or syncable to an iPod, it must be paid for



benzoXL: and besides, im gonna have a wireless connect too, so i can dl there



Dhuge67: eh, i dont know...i think its stupid and PSU misses the point... it just encourages illegal downloads... reinforces the idea that music is a commodity not something that should be paid for



benzoXL: no - cause im only gonna dl music for my dorm, and ill be fine with it. it gives incentive to buy a song, or buy the cd instead of buying the song



benzoXL: which in turn makes more money for big companies



Dhuge67: no, it instills the idea in people's minds that "listening to a song without paying for it is ok"



benzoXL: most of the cds i get are 20, 21 tracks

benzoXL: i never spend 20 bucks on a cd

benzoXL: thats overpaying in the long run



Dhuge67: full quality, fast downloads, reliable download, album art, profit to the artist, legal piece of mind, and you have full use rights



benzoXL: piece of mind can suck my balls







Dhuge67: reliable and quality AAC encoding is nice



benzoXL: im not having a psychological struggle here

benzoXL: ill stream, stay legal, and not care



Dhuge67: ok, I wont...I refuse to give up iPod portability and quality downloads and most people want iPods



benzoXL: but i dont have an ipod, i dont plan on buying one, and im not gonna have a car to use cds in frosh year, so why not stream?



Dhuge67: they already account for 60% of the revenue in mp3 players and 30% of the market, its sick



benzoXL: mp3 players are useless in my opinion, cause i dont use them to walk around with

benzoXL: i listen to music in my car

benzoXL: and i dont have a tape player to plug it into



Dhuge67: I dunno man, you may see in time that you will want one, especially when they become more affordable this summer when HP releases the HP iPod



benzoXL: and i dont want the extra hassle of having something loose in my car... i used to have an mp3 player and i hated it



Dhuge67: u could buy a 20 dollar fm transmitter

Dhuge67: I dont think youd hate the iPod, nobody does



bnzoXL: its an mp3 player

benzoXL: yes, come to grips with it, not everyone loves it, alot of people like it yes but not everyone





Dhuge67: the album is dead man



benzoXL: no its not



Dhuge67: It has been dying at least, hardly alive



benzoXL: without it, there would be none of this

benzoXL: ok, so thats why there are still multiplatinum artists



Dhuge67: in a couple years there probably wont be off the shelf CD's

Dhuge67: its an ancient technology



benzoXL: ill mark your words



Dhuge67: its not convenient anymore



benzoXL: ill hold you to this



Dhuge67: people want iPods, MP3's...I'm in good company with this vision
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  • Reply 1 of 45
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    benzoXL: the album is dead, cds are ancient technology, theyll be gone in a couple years



    Dhuge67: DVD's are actually over the hill

    Dhuge67: in a few more years there will be HD DVD's



    Dhuge67: I say by 2010 CD's will be as scarce as 8tracks are today



    benzoXL: to keep up with every technological advance made is madness



    Dhuge67: the album as we know it is dead....everything is just progressing sooo fast to the Apple iTunes idea... its all about what people want, and why they want it...lets look at why this is happening...let me have the floor for a sec



    Dhuge67: people are embracing the idea of the digital hub which Apple coined over 4 years ago (well ahead of everyone else but thats another story) and what has happened since

    Dhuge67: You want your computer to be a hub, connecting your video, photos, music, and everything else you create....the computer houses the files....the computer provides more worth and value to these things by editing them, sharring them, and repackaging them...then there are devices that branch off of the hub and add even more value yet



    benzoXL: its all in how you view it



    Dhuge67: they enable portability, convenience



    benzoXL: quality that a burnt cd lacks

    benzoXL: ok, and thats why im telling you this



    Dhuge67: my friend, where do you think a CD comes from?

    Dhuge67: it is burnt, it is digital



    benzoXL: much mor coimplex than what we do



    Dhuge67: but see, not anymore



    benzoXL: dont get condescending with me



    Dhuge67: not since the AAC standard has come along...
  • Reply 2 of 45
    akumulatorakumulator Posts: 1,111member
    Too many words....



    I don't want to read your entire conversation...



    what was ultimately decided? iTunes/Pepsi good or bad?
  • Reply 3 of 45
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    Ultimately, he just reared his ugly PC user head.\ But I won the argument.8)
  • Reply 4 of 45
    akumulatorakumulator Posts: 1,111member
    That's awesome.
  • Reply 5 of 45
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    There's no way in hell or on God's green earth that I'm going to read all of that. A simple, "My friend's argument was that...." would have sufficed.
  • Reply 6 of 45
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    eh?



    DVDs are not going to replace CDs for music.







    edit:

    "the album is dead"



    "no it's not"



    "yes it is"



    no, the ALBUM is fine, compact discs as a means to play albums is dying
  • Reply 7 of 45
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    you 'won' an argument against this



    Quote:

    benzoXL: piece of mind can suck my balls



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  • Reply 8 of 45
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    You edited this conversation quite a bit it reads like, You're talking about one thing then the next message is like, totally unrelated. \



    edit: or rather, it cuts to something that could very well have been 10-15 minutes later, still vaguely related, but more developed and all that.
  • Reply 9 of 45
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    I'll revise all that and make a comprehensible summation out of all of it. I think it should be a bit less daunting now, I dont know how else to do it to expose his PCness. If I didnt show the conversation as it was, it wouldnt drive home the simplistic view in which he percieves things to be.
  • Reply 10 of 45
    akumulatorakumulator Posts: 1,111member
    nice job. \
  • Reply 11 of 45
    ghost_user_nameghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member
  • Reply 12 of 45
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    Cute
  • Reply 13 of 45
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    DVD-Audio is supposed to be the next step. Doubt it'll ever happen until we all get 1000 watt stereos, with massive rooms to use them in (otherwise your ears will bleed) and can all afford a couple of grands worth of music systems.
  • Reply 14 of 45
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    I'd get into a fight with you too if you just kept telling me how good Apple's solution is and wouldn't leave me alone
  • Reply 15 of 45
    shetlineshetline Posts: 4,695member
    Is "piece of mind" the same as "chunk o' brain"?
  • Reply 16 of 45
    ghost_user_nameghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Messiahtosh

    Cute



    You think so? I thought it was a little over the top... but I am glad you like it...
  • Reply 17 of 45
    ipodandimacipodandimac Posts: 3,273member
    i've had so many discussions like that with so many people. most realize eventually that itunes and ipod are the way to go, but those stubborn people that just hate apple b/c its apple, and refuse to buy anything made by them just pisses me off.



    i dunno about all of you, but i think psu needs an xserve cluster then iTMS....
  • Reply 18 of 45
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    Haha, right on. Do you know about PSU?
  • Reply 19 of 45
    extras.rsrcextras.rsrc Posts: 76member
    What I don't get is that you say that the album is dead (which I don't really agree with, I collect vinyl copies of my favorite records, ever heard Shout at the Devil on vinyl? Sounds awesome.) and he disagrees. Then you try to push digital music, iTMS and iPods on him, praising all this great new technology that he says isn't worth it, but he says he'd rather just stream music for free. It sounds like he is almost on the same lines about technology, but he just wants to do it all for free. From the sounds of it I doubt he ever buys very much music at all, which is another reason digital music business is getting so big, it's not just because of iTMS and similar, it's also the illegal music downloads that's killing traditional music sales.
  • Reply 20 of 45
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Guys, don't downplay the massive level of suckitude currently present in the music world either.







    I love it when the record industry and/or Hollywood squawks about "declining music sales" and "lower box office takes" and so forth, as if they have no control or hand in it.



    Then why don't you lunkheads stop scouting, signing and promoting such empty, derivative, intelligence-insulting shit...and just MAYBE those precious numbers will creep up a bit?



    Nah, that makes too much sense...







    Britney is simply this decade's Tiffany, but nobody seems to realize it.







    Two big titties and a flat tummy not a quality musical artist make.
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