Building a performance PC does cost money. Nowadays you want at least a 2800 Athlon and a Radeon 9800. Not to mention a decent 17" LCD etc. You do not get this for $800. You talking BS or you got it off the back of a lorry if you say this.
eh? why are you trying to tell me that my brother's computer doesn't play the games that it plays?
it performs just fine(no choppiness), on many of the latest games, at least the latest games worth playing, apart from crashing a lot, but that's just windows for ya.
additionally, you don't need an LCD to play games so why exaggerate the cost by saying you do.
That's more or less what my brother built, except with a Geforce4 ti 4600, and he has two drives(CD-rw and DVD-rom separate)
additionally he has 1 GB of RAM(512 he bought, 512 he got from a friend)
and he has 2 HDs
but yeah, that's basically it, and it still holds up well by todays standards, sure it might chug a little playing UT2k4 at max settings, but so what? doesn't mean you can't play it at slightly lowered settings.
I think a lot of the hate has to do with the two mindsets of each platform, when I was reading the Build Your Own PC magazine, I was suddenly feeling myself being drawn into (as I can best describe) a addictive suffering mood.
(I think the stockholm syndrome for PC users is true)
There are thousands of things that can go wrong building a PC.
Forget the thermal pad or compound and your $800 CPU's could melt, if your not careful you can "ridiculously easy" crush your CPU's. One Moboard may not survive the next processor upgrade cycle, the list goes on and on.
Once something goes wrong with your homebuilt PC, all these things you did run through your mind, you may even go off and disassemble your whole box on a false whim. Your always worrying if you made the right choice, you get belittled by the Intel faithful for picking AMD, your X part doesn't work with Y...
People deep down want to be happy, having built houses for people for several years I've noticed a trend that apply's to this.
If I can just work with the designer and together we get the job finished, without owner present. Most times we make the owner extremely pleased.
They get a fancy shiny new house, without knowing all the details or headaches.
But if I have to build a house for a owner that wants to know every move we make and why, then no matter what, they are never truly happy. Because they find a reason to bitch about something, endless "why did you do that" questions.
Then only by experience of doing something over and over, can one really do something right the first time.
So how many PC's were built by folks and trashed because they couldn't do it right the first time? Of course this isn't added to the overall cost of building a PC, nor is the time spent learning the process when someone says "I've built a PC for $400".
As I look into the guts of my G5, I realize it's just a bunch of parts in a box. But put together by qualified experienced people, no need for me to worry. I just get to enjoy.
So with Mac's you pay a bit more, but ignorance is bliss.
Well a good PC for gaming costs a lot here in the UK. Plus, the cheapest parts aren't always the best.
I'm building a PC for a friend. 2800 Athlon, Asus nforce2, 512MB ddr333, 120GB, DVD-RW, Radeon 9800. A few other things. This costs £850. I still have to get the cables, the fans, the case, a floppy drive, a keyboard, a mouse, speakers, sound card (though not really needed with this motherboard).
All in all it'll cost about £1000, at current exchange rates that's something like $1800 or more. If you're talking about massively cheap parts, I don't care, you get what you pay for, and that isn't much.
At least Apple parts last. I know it's still too expensive (certainly in the UK) but a mac does not fall apart or fail to function like it once did over a period of time. Also, try putting a radeon 9800xt into your 1800 athlon machine (or whatever) to give it a boost. Much of the time it won't work. I've seen it happen. One friend bought a radeon 9000 pro to put in his PIII machine, crashed all the time. Do you see this when you match a G4 to a radeon 9800? Nope.
One can buy a GameCube -and- an XBOX -and- a PS2, with money to spare to buy a ton of games for the price of one so called gaming PC.
Exactly, that's why all these game software stores no longer carry anymore PC game software.
It's switching over to cheaper dedicated boxes.
And I would call anything about a G5 "gay", 64 bit dual processing on the up and down clock cycle, mean looking heat sinks, big fans, Remmington razor grill.
Nothing "gay" about this bad boy. It's stylish, fast and powerful, a real class act.
Exactly, that's why all these game software stores no longer carry anymore PC game software.
It's switching over to cheaper dedicated boxes.
And I would call anything about a G5 "gay", 64 bit dual processors, on the up and DOWN cycle, beefy looking head sinks, big fans, Remmington razor grill.
Nothing "gay" about this bad boy. It's stylish, fast and powerful, a real class act.
I'd actually say that is one of the gayest things I've heard in a while. "Beefy looking head sinks on the up and down." Sure I changed the word order but man that's gay.
And what's up with Remmington Razor bit? Does the Beefy Head have to be clean shaven?
unless your an FPS junkie, buying a PC of any kind (windows or mac) is retarded. consoles have and will continue to encroach on PC's turf for gaming, and the next wave of consoles should seal the deal.
I'd actually say that is one of the gayest things I've heard in a while. "Beefy looking head sinks on the up and down." Sure I changed the word order but man that's gay.
And what's up with Remmington Razor bit? Does the Beefy Head have to be clean shaven?
Not going there...
I really need a full time editor, or a pair of glasses.
unless your an FPS junkie, buying a PC of any kind (windows or mac) is retarded. consoles have and will continue to encroach on PC's turf for gaming, and the next wave of consoles should seal the deal.
Did you forget strategy, realtime strategy, huge RPG's, flight/space/whatever simulators?
None of that is going to suddenly be better on the console, next gen or not. They are dependent on high resolution and most of all, mouse + keyboard input. When (if) we see those widespread on consoles, the consoles can overtake in those genres. Not before.
Another thing going for the PC is the multiplayer options (think LANs, clanservers, clan tournaments, ladders, professional gaming, massive multiplayer gaming). Also not going to change to the next generation, I think.
This from a currently PS2-only gamer. I'll (re)start PC gaming once I have the hardware and the time. The console rocks for fighting games
Well a good PC for gaming costs a lot here in the UK. Plus, the cheapest parts aren't always the best.
I'm building a PC for a friend. 2800 Athlon, Asus nforce2, 512MB ddr333, 120GB, DVD-RW, Radeon 9800. A few other things. This costs £850. I still have to get the cables, the fans, the case, a floppy drive, a keyboard, a mouse, speakers, sound card (though not really needed with this motherboard).
All in all it'll cost about £1000, at current exchange rates that's something like $1800 or more. If you're talking about massively cheap parts, I don't care, you get what you pay for, and that isn't much.
At least Apple parts last. I know it's still too expensive (certainly in the UK) but a mac does not fall apart or fail to function like it once did over a period of time. Also, try putting a radeon 9800xt into your 1800 athlon machine (or whatever) to give it a boost. Much of the time it won't work. I've seen it happen. One friend bought a radeon 9000 pro to put in his PIII machine, crashed all the time. Do you see this when you match a G4 to a radeon 9800? Nope.
Ouch, you guys are really getting ripped on prices.
That's twice what you would pay for it in the USA (and I only use high quality parts when I build a PC, that's one reason to build them yourself, you know what's in it).
Apple is always high quality, and I've had very good luck with the Macs I've owned (some bad vram once, and a problem with the screen of my 520c).
I kinda am, not really any more. The only reason I dont perfer the mac is to run alot of the things I use on a daily basis, I would have to use a pc emulator or something. Also I just like the feeling of suscessfully building your own rig, from putting in the mobo to finally pressing the on button and it acutally turning on. I wouldnt mind to own a newer mac of some sort, but not to replace my windows pc.
m putting in the mobo to finally pressing the on button and it acutally turning on. I wouldnt mind to own a newer mac of some sort, but not to replace my windows pc.
what kind of watercooling did you use ?
ive replaced fans in my x86/sun boxes with zalmans/panaflo's
my watercooling isnt a kit or anything, they suck, its this:
Dtec whitewater waterblock
dtec procore (radiator)
76 chevette heatercore (my 2nd radiator)
Enhiem 1250 316 GPH pump
Clearflex tubing
Custom made pvc resivour
the "side effects" of watercooling is, tons quieter computer, way better temps, higher overclocks, faster running games (since u overclocked) the only downside is the possible leak if u dont tighten a clamp, but I laugh at the danger
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Building a performance PC does cost money. Nowadays you want at least a 2800 Athlon and a Radeon 9800. Not to mention a decent 17" LCD etc. You do not get this for $800. You talking BS or you got it off the back of a lorry if you say this.
it performs just fine(no choppiness), on many of the latest games, at least the latest games worth playing, apart from crashing a lot, but that's just windows for ya.
additionally, you don't need an LCD to play games so why exaggerate the cost by saying you do.
He got all his parts from newegg.com fwiw
Originally posted by Kickaha
$1200 *is* cheap for a gaming rig.
2k$ is about the norm for a top of the line, and 3k$ isn't totally unheard of.
Nowadays most people are building gaming rigs for about $1000 or less. Only the people who want bleeding edge tech hit the $2000 mark.
Here is an example:
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB OEM $215
MSI K7N-2 Delta ILSR $110
Athlon XP 3200 $190
512-MB (2x256-MB) PC3200 Corsair $85
Antec case w 400w power supply $85
Floppy Drive $10
Intel: 80 GB Western Digital SE $80
AOpen 48x24x48x16 Combo Drive $50
Windows xp home OEM $90
That comes out to around $915 and is a very kick ass machine.
But Macs should never be compared to home built computers, they should be compared to upscale PCs like alianware.
additionally he has 1 GB of RAM(512 he bought, 512 he got from a friend)
and he has 2 HDs
but yeah, that's basically it, and it still holds up well by todays standards, sure it might chug a little playing UT2k4 at max settings, but so what? doesn't mean you can't play it at slightly lowered settings.
(I think the stockholm syndrome for PC users is true)
There are thousands of things that can go wrong building a PC.
Forget the thermal pad or compound and your $800 CPU's could melt, if your not careful you can "ridiculously easy" crush your CPU's. One Moboard may not survive the next processor upgrade cycle, the list goes on and on.
Once something goes wrong with your homebuilt PC, all these things you did run through your mind, you may even go off and disassemble your whole box on a false whim. Your always worrying if you made the right choice, you get belittled by the Intel faithful for picking AMD, your X part doesn't work with Y...
People deep down want to be happy, having built houses for people for several years I've noticed a trend that apply's to this.
If I can just work with the designer and together we get the job finished, without owner present. Most times we make the owner extremely pleased.
They get a fancy shiny new house, without knowing all the details or headaches.
But if I have to build a house for a owner that wants to know every move we make and why, then no matter what, they are never truly happy. Because they find a reason to bitch about something, endless "why did you do that" questions.
Then only by experience of doing something over and over, can one really do something right the first time.
So how many PC's were built by folks and trashed because they couldn't do it right the first time? Of course this isn't added to the overall cost of building a PC, nor is the time spent learning the process when someone says "I've built a PC for $400".
As I look into the guts of my G5, I realize it's just a bunch of parts in a box. But put together by qualified experienced people, no need for me to worry. I just get to enjoy.
So with Mac's you pay a bit more, but ignorance is bliss.
But Macs should never be compared to home built computers, they should be compared to upscale PCs like alianware.
I agree, it's like comparing apples to oranges, the only thing is the same is that their both fruit.
I'm building a PC for a friend. 2800 Athlon, Asus nforce2, 512MB ddr333, 120GB, DVD-RW, Radeon 9800. A few other things. This costs £850. I still have to get the cables, the fans, the case, a floppy drive, a keyboard, a mouse, speakers, sound card (though not really needed with this motherboard).
All in all it'll cost about £1000, at current exchange rates that's something like $1800 or more. If you're talking about massively cheap parts, I don't care, you get what you pay for, and that isn't much.
At least Apple parts last. I know it's still too expensive (certainly in the UK) but a mac does not fall apart or fail to function like it once did over a period of time. Also, try putting a radeon 9800xt into your 1800 athlon machine (or whatever) to give it a boost. Much of the time it won't work. I've seen it happen. One friend bought a radeon 9000 pro to put in his PIII machine, crashed all the time. Do you see this when you match a G4 to a radeon 9800? Nope.
Many of them just say "Macs are gay...you cant do anything on them there are no programs" blah blah blah........and half of them have never used one.
Sad.
Arts, pretty gay. Fruity colors, gay. No crashes, reliability, Happy. Happy, gay.
Originally posted by johnq
One can buy a GameCube -and- an XBOX -and- a PS2, with money to spare to buy a ton of games for the price of one so called gaming PC.
Exactly, that's why all these game software stores no longer carry anymore PC game software.
It's switching over to cheaper dedicated boxes.
And I would call anything about a G5 "gay", 64 bit dual processing on the up and down clock cycle, mean looking heat sinks, big fans, Remmington razor grill.
Nothing "gay" about this bad boy. It's stylish, fast and powerful, a real class act.
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Originally posted by Sailfish
Exactly, that's why all these game software stores no longer carry anymore PC game software.
It's switching over to cheaper dedicated boxes.
And I would call anything about a G5 "gay", 64 bit dual processors, on the up and DOWN cycle, beefy looking head sinks, big fans, Remmington razor grill.
Nothing "gay" about this bad boy. It's stylish, fast and powerful, a real class act.
I'd actually say that is one of the gayest things I've heard in a while. "Beefy looking head sinks on the up and down." Sure I changed the word order but man that's gay.
And what's up with Remmington Razor bit? Does the Beefy Head have to be clean shaven?
Originally posted by InactionMan
I'd actually say that is one of the gayest things I've heard in a while. "Beefy looking head sinks on the up and down." Sure I changed the word order but man that's gay.
And what's up with Remmington Razor bit? Does the Beefy Head have to be clean shaven?
Not going there...
I really need a full time editor, or a pair of glasses.
Clicked A on menu bar, oh that's better.
Originally posted by alcimedes
unless your an FPS junkie, buying a PC of any kind (windows or mac) is retarded. consoles have and will continue to encroach on PC's turf for gaming, and the next wave of consoles should seal the deal.
Did you forget strategy, realtime strategy, huge RPG's, flight/space/whatever simulators?
None of that is going to suddenly be better on the console, next gen or not. They are dependent on high resolution and most of all, mouse + keyboard input. When (if) we see those widespread on consoles, the consoles can overtake in those genres. Not before.
Another thing going for the PC is the multiplayer options (think LANs, clanservers, clan tournaments, ladders, professional gaming, massive multiplayer gaming). Also not going to change to the next generation, I think.
This from a currently PS2-only gamer. I'll (re)start PC gaming once I have the hardware and the time. The console rocks for fighting games
Originally posted by mattyj
Well a good PC for gaming costs a lot here in the UK. Plus, the cheapest parts aren't always the best.
I'm building a PC for a friend. 2800 Athlon, Asus nforce2, 512MB ddr333, 120GB, DVD-RW, Radeon 9800. A few other things. This costs £850. I still have to get the cables, the fans, the case, a floppy drive, a keyboard, a mouse, speakers, sound card (though not really needed with this motherboard).
All in all it'll cost about £1000, at current exchange rates that's something like $1800 or more. If you're talking about massively cheap parts, I don't care, you get what you pay for, and that isn't much.
At least Apple parts last. I know it's still too expensive (certainly in the UK) but a mac does not fall apart or fail to function like it once did over a period of time. Also, try putting a radeon 9800xt into your 1800 athlon machine (or whatever) to give it a boost. Much of the time it won't work. I've seen it happen. One friend bought a radeon 9000 pro to put in his PIII machine, crashed all the time. Do you see this when you match a G4 to a radeon 9800? Nope.
Ouch, you guys are really getting ripped on prices.
That's twice what you would pay for it in the USA (and I only use high quality parts when I build a PC, that's one reason to build them yourself, you know what's in it).
Apple is always high quality, and I've had very good luck with the Macs I've owned (some bad vram once, and a problem with the screen of my 520c).
Originally posted by ExtremeODD
m putting in the mobo to finally pressing the on button and it acutally turning on. I wouldnt mind to own a newer mac of some sort, but not to replace my windows pc.
what kind of watercooling did you use ?
ive replaced fans in my x86/sun boxes with zalmans/panaflo's
& they are near dead quiet
hdd's are seagate baracudda's ...also dead quiet
also any side effects to the water cooling ?
Dtec whitewater waterblock
dtec procore (radiator)
76 chevette heatercore (my 2nd radiator)
Enhiem 1250 316 GPH pump
Clearflex tubing
Custom made pvc resivour
the "side effects" of watercooling is, tons quieter computer, way better temps, higher overclocks, faster running games (since u overclocked) the only downside is the possible leak if u dont tighten a clamp, but I laugh at the danger