Personal opinion is that the limiting factor on all thes fancy new devices we can come up with is energy. Battery technology is the bottleneck for many of the things we want. My Treo 600 can last about 3-5 days when only being used as a phone. Start surfing the net and that "staying power" drops to about a day. If it had to power a BT card or a wifi card that battery would be dead in a few hours. Heck my T610 could barely go a day with BT on and being used sporatically through the day. Just look at the miniPod; mine has been running maybe a bit over 6 hours and the battery is almost dead. Cant have that in a phone that someone may have to bet their life on.
Something the size of the miniPod or even the regular iPod that can do phone, pda, wireless web... would be truly nice, but the first thing that needs to be solved is how youre going to power the thing and give it atleast 2-3 days worth of operating time.
i can tell you that apple and sonyericsson "maybe" working on release a 3G phone/PDA. Apple has shown big interrest in the new 3G mobile systems and standards... like 3gp and acc which a the standards in 3G mobile terminals, and integration of streaming to 3g handset from darwin streaming server...
if you look at Motorola a1000 or a920/925 you will see the smartest phone ever made with GPS and Symbian OS totaly beats p900. SonyEricsson dont afford to loose the battle too Motorola, and Apple want to go into the comsumer electronics market.
then there is possibility of that apple licensed from HP there iPaq system, and will redesign it and integrade it with iSync. but that is just a rumor.
but i am sure that apple will release a 3G smartphone like Motorola A1000, intergrated with Macintosh 20 anyversity "box".. or maybe the apple smartphone is da suprize?!
But SJ said "No way" and the problems is that the market is the same of the current PDA market but with the limitation that there is no software house that will develop software for Apple. Is hard to find software for Macosx.. imagine how will be difficult for an apple pda.. Apple could build the best pda but no one will buy it..
b- Build a video iPod
Who will buy (at least $500) a big gadget to watch mtv video in metro?...
I don't know... music is different, as SJ said, with iPod you have the same experience of walkman.. the iPod is an evolution of walkman, but video iPod should be evolution of video player that already exist but they are expensive and too much big to carry in a pocket. Have you seen some one with Archos or Lyra walking and watching into one of these device? I don't think is cool.
c- Build a subsubnotebook like Oqo
I don't know if Apple can technically build somethink like that. I like that device but I think won't sell for is too much expensive ($2000!).
d- Build a pda/phone
Like "a". Difficult market.
e- A new device with wifi and 3G for web surfing
A device only for websurfing, that you can use at home with your personal airport or outside everywhere there is a wifi point. Like Blackberry you can check everytime your mail, video ichat and so on. (and, why not, watch videos). Outsider rendering is very nice! Could have that form.
f- A new device with gps for travelling
An electronic travelling guide (as I described before)
g- An evolution of iPod with video playback but only for tv and monitors.
What do you think?
Any idea?
I think we should look into this matter from another approach: The question is not "what is technically possible?" but "what do people want?". What do you want to do with your personal Apple PDA? Storing phone numbers? Reading email? Surfing the internet? Playing music? What else?
So far, all these things can be done very well with existing PDAs. I myself am a Mac evangelist born and breed -- and I detest Microsoft really very much! But, last summer my Palm m100 passed away -- so I had to look out for a new PDA. And so I had a very close look at all these devices -- including the Pocket PC ones. And in the end, I got a Toshiba e740 PocketPC. Upset? No, not at all! This is the best thing I've ever senn! The Toshiba has built-in WLAN, has a 65k-Color-TFT, has versions of Word and Excel on it (no need to convert documents), has an email client and an Internet Explorer right built-in. It plays my MP3 tracks (even in the background, because Pocket PCs do genuine multitasking!), plays videos (avi/mpeg), I can surf the web siiting on my couch (IE even supports Java!), I can play flash animations, can display PDFs (real PDF display -- with the real layout and fonts!), can do my banking stuff, can record voice, heck -- I can even watch RealOne TV streams on it (it can display 30 fps video!), or I listen to web radio in the background while I write an email. I can enter text using the stylus -- and I can even choose, how I like to do that: either with Grafitti, with a "Transcriber", that is strikingly similar to Newton's text input or using the on-screen keyboard -- and I can switch these input modes on the fly. I can add CompactFlash cards that offer plenty of room for my documents -- and can display my digital photos. The Pocket PC has even a built-in file system -- unlike in Palm devices, you can copy, move and delete files easily and put them into folders. I can even connect to my PowerMac running Panther wirelessly -- and can access my home folder on my harddrive! I even have an Extension that sticks on the dock connector of the Toshiba and offers an USB port (you can use any USB keyboard; you can connect external harddrives and more!) and an external VGA port. Load your presentations to your Pocket PC, connect a beamer and there you go! Try this with a Palm!
There is plenty of software for the Pocket PC -- I even found a complete C-64 emulation, that lets you play all those good-ol' C-64 games -- right on your PocketPC! I also have a registry hack that enabels font antialiasing all over the system -- that makes reading texts on screen a pleasure!
Considering all this stuff that my Pocket PC can do, I really ask myself what you possibly could want more. I paid around $300 for my Toshiba -- and I doubt that Apple will be able to develop a new kind of PDA with a new PDA operating system that can do more than Pocket PCs at a similar price. Let's face it -- there are plenty of good PDAs around already! The only problem we Mac folks have is that we keep messing around with crappy Palm devices! If there is one thing that Microsoft's annoyance department has overlooked -- believe me, it's the Pocket PC!
Oh, one more point: How do I sync it with my Mac? I use "The Missing Sync" that adds my Pocket PC to iSync -- it's as easy as that! No fuss!
...then there is possibility of that apple licensed from HP there iPaq system, and will redesign it and integrade it with iSync. but that is just a rumor....
And an unlikely one at that. Why would Apple license a device designed to run a Microsoft OS, redesign it, and write software to integrate into the Mac platform. Seems like a lot of work to me when they could contact Microsoft and Intel (or whoever) and license a stock reference Pocket PC design and work from that.
The question is not "what is technically possible?" but "what do people want?"
You are right!
my list was made starting from function..
The problem with PPC is that (but i am not so sure... so...) MS is wasting a lot of money with PPC. They sell a lot of them but is not a boom and is not enough.. they are very expensive to build, they are trying to dominate a market and then decide the prices...
People prefer to buy iPod. IPod sell a lot.
I told that probably I will buy a toshiba e800 or another PPC with big screen and panoramic view... I don't know
Me too think that a pda like palm or PPC is impossible to do for apple for there will be few programs... and they will waste too much money.. and no one want it.
I think about a gadget, like the iPod or like cell phones, made for the mass market.
Amazingly, the iPod is a hit without "needing" a color screen or physical buttons (people usually love buttons and lots of them in gadgets)...
Whodathunkit that Joe Public would prefer elegant design with relatively specific functionality (play music rather than be a digital swiss army knife)?
Color screen would be fun though. Run mini iTunes visual effects, also show the album art. (Battery life be damned)
I went from a Nextel greenscreen phone to a nice color Samsung phone, so little color screens are growing on me....
I think about a gadget, like the iPod or like cell phones, made for the mass market.
Is it possible? [/B]
I think that Apple will continue to evolve the iPod. Since they posted job offeers for engineers with MPEG experience, I bet that there is a video iPod in the pipeline. Maybe with a color screen to display cover art and digital photos while you are listening songs -- and maybe even to watch movies. But Steve himself said that he does not think that anyone would like to watch movies on such a small display -- so it is possible that the video iPod ("iPod AV"?) will only come with a compsite or s-video cable that connects to the dock connector and lets you watch movies on a TV.
Also, I would appreciate a new approach to deal with addresses and calendar data. Why use iSync? I'd like an iPod that syncs addresses as soon as I plug it in -- just like in iTunes! iCal and the Address Book should display events on the iPod in a similar way as iTunes does... I think that Apple has a big potential to make a really good allround tool on the basis of the iPod, but still has a long way to go...
i can tell you that apple and sonyericsson "maybe" working on release a 3G phone/PDA. Apple has shown big interrest in the new 3G mobile systems and standards... like 3gp and acc which a the standards in 3G mobile terminals, and integration of streaming to 3g handset from darwin streaming server...
harald reported on this a while ago. he said that there *was* a phone about to come out and it got steve'd. well maybe not steve'd but the project was suddenly stopped. this was i presume for a non-3g phone.
so you think they are coming out with a 3g phone or are you pulling it out of somewhere?
Yeah, it is a cool idea to be able to watch your iPhoto Albums in a slideshow on the iPod, while on the go. Also, having a color screen to display cover art would be awesome as well. Hopefully a battery with reasonable durability can be used to help power such a product.
Yeah, it is a cool idea to be able to watch your iPhoto Albums in a slideshow on the iPod, while on the go. Also, having a color screen to display cover art would be awesome as well. Hopefully a battery with reasonable durability can be used to help power such a product.
even better would be to display them on a tv from your ipod. s-video out or something...
harald reported on this a while ago. he said that there *was* a phone about to come out and it got steve'd. well maybe not steve'd but the project was suddenly stopped. this was i presume for a non-3g phone.
so you think they are coming out with a 3g phone or are you pulling it out of somewhere?
yes, i think that apple and sonyericsson will make a new product together, ericsson will come with there great 3g mobile system (ericsson did invent and developed 3G mobile system, so) and apple will make good, and simple OS with loads of goodies..
Motorola just said that they will sell all shares of Symbian to Nokia, and Ericsson can not let Nokia rule the development of Symbian. So they need new parther, and it seems it will not be Microsoft, which Motorola will work this on the future mobiles.
GSM is officielly dead, 3G is comming and all the phones for the 3G will be smartphones.
3G is a new market and all the phone manufactures are really late with there phones, or they just have release some really crapt phones. Motorola in other hand has become the biggest and best 3G device developer.
So, Nokia will go with Symbian, Motorola = Microsoft, and SonyEricsson needs something new, different and cool!! Who can help them, maybe the company withe the strongest Brand this year?!
and the phone you talking about is probobly SonyEricsson Z1010.. its awsome 3G device..
yes, i think that apple and sonyericsson will make a new product together, ericsson will come with there great 3g mobile system (ericsson did invent and developed 3G mobile system, so) and apple will make good, and simple OS with loads of goodies..
Motorola just said that they will sell all shares of Symbian to Nokia, and Ericsson can not let Nokia rule the development of Symbian. So they need new parther, and it seems it will not be Microsoft, which Motorola will work this on the future mobiles.
GSM is officielly dead, 3G is comming and all the phones for the 3G will be smartphones.
3G is a new market and all the phone manufactures are really late with there phones, or they just have release some really crapt phones. Motorola in other hand has become the biggest and best 3G device developer.
So, Nokia will go with Symbian, Motorola = Microsoft, and SonyEricsson needs something new, different and cool!! Who can help them, maybe the company withe the strongest Brand this year?!
and the phone you talking about is probobly SonyEricsson Z1010.. its awsome 3G device..
Okay, it's possible that SonyEricsson will do something with Apple. But 3G (UMTS) coverage is still lacking in most countries and I do not think that GSM is officially dead, since it does exactly what people want: it lets you place phone calls at a reasonable price! If SonyEricsson (and Apple, maybe) will come with another 3G phone, it has to be hybrid for GSM/3G compatibility.
Since Apple doesn't even bother to write an own operating system for their top-selling iPod, I can hardly imagine them writing a (Darwin-based?) OS for cell phones. Symbian is quite okay, and SonyEricsson has made good use of it so far. I could however imagine that they will licence QuickTime or parts of it for video streming in 3G applicances or for AAC audio playback. Besides, they are of course interested in iSync compatibility of their upcoming phone. There is just no point in writing a new cell phone OS from scratch -- at least not if you are not a cell phone manufacturer in the first place! Does anybody in here believe that Micro$oft earns any money with their PocketPC cell phone OS?
Since 3G in most european countries will only start this fall, I don't expect such a phone to ship until there is an adequate 3G coverage.
I put my money on another SonyEricsson/Symbian solution -- maybe with integrated chunks of licensed Apple software. Don't expect to run Panther on an Apple-branded cell phone anytime soon!
I think we should look into this matter from another approach: The question is not "what is technically possible?" but "what do people want?". What do you want to do with your personal Apple PDA? Storing phone numbers? Reading email? Surfing the internet? Playing music? What else?
Apple *might* give people exactly what they are asking for. But, more than likely, they'll give us something we didn't even know we wanted.
i can tell you that all 3G phones are GSM comptible like Airport Xtrem comptible with Airport
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Originally posted by Yankeedoodle
Okay, it's possible that SonyEricsson will do something with Apple. But 3G (UMTS) coverage is still lacking in most countries and I do not think that GSM is officially dead, since it does exactly what people want: it lets you place phone calls at a reasonable price! If SonyEricsson (and Apple, maybe) will come with another 3G phone, it has to be hybrid for GSM/3G compatibility.
Since Apple doesn't even bother to write an own operating system for their top-selling iPod, I can hardly imagine them writing a (Darwin-based?) OS for cell phones. Symbian is quite okay, and SonyEricsson has made good use of it so far. I could however imagine that they will licence QuickTime or parts of it for video streming in 3G applicances or for AAC audio playback. Besides, they are of course interested in iSync compatibility of their upcoming phone. There is just no point in writing a new cell phone OS from scratch -- at least not if you are not a cell phone manufacturer in the first place! Does anybody in here believe that Micro$oft earns any money with their PocketPC cell phone OS?
Since 3G in most european countries will only start this fall, I don't expect such a phone to ship until there is an adequate 3G coverage.
I put my money on another SonyEricsson/Symbian solution -- maybe with integrated chunks of licensed Apple software. Don't expect to run Panther on an Apple-branded cell phone anytime soon!
i can tell you that all 3G phones are GSM comptible like Airport Xtrem comptible with Airport
Er, no they aren't.
We've had 3G in the UK for a year now and the second biggest complaint after no coverage is lack of consistant GSM compatibility. Buying a 3G phone and using it with your 2G GSM SIM is a lottery. You also can't reliably use your 3G phone in a 2G area.
Basically it's very immature and I very much doubt Apple will get into it.
This may or not be PDA related, but check out what Fred Anderson says in a Macworld UK story ... and I quote:
Looking to 2003's 'Year of the Notebook', analysts asked if Apple holds a strategy for 2004. Anderson said: "We have no specific theme this year, except growth for the company. There are three key drivers: portable ? mobility and wireless communications; the digital lifestyle and music, iPod, iPod mini and iTunes Music Store."
i can tell you that all 3G phones are GSM comptible like Airport Xtrem comptible with Airport
3G is very different from GSM -- and in Europe also on differnet frequencies. So far, most 3G stuff is indeed crap (huge and bulky, weak batteries, interruptions when switching from 3G to GSM and back!) -- maybe Apple and SonyEricsson can change that... But I still don't believe it...
This may or not be PDA related, but check out what Fred Anderson says in a Macworld UK story ... and I quote:
Looking to 2003's 'Year of the Notebook', analysts asked if Apple holds a strategy for 2004. Anderson said: "We have no specific theme this year, except growth for the company. There are three key drivers: portable ? mobility and wireless communications; the digital lifestyle and music, iPod, iPod mini and iTunes Music Store."
Did he say wireless communications ?!!!!
That caught my eye as well. I think the iPod's success may have encouraged them to take another leap. How soon is the million dollar question.
This may or not be PDA related, but check out what Fred Anderson says in a Macworld UK story ... and I quote:
Looking to 2003's 'Year of the Notebook', analysts asked if Apple holds a strategy for 2004. Anderson said: "We have no specific theme this year, except growth for the company. There are three key drivers: portable ? mobility and wireless communications; the digital lifestyle and music, iPod, iPod mini and iTunes Music Store."
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Something the size of the miniPod or even the regular iPod that can do phone, pda, wireless web... would be truly nice, but the first thing that needs to be solved is how youre going to power the thing and give it atleast 2-3 days worth of operating time.
http://www.macminute.com/2004/02/24/sony
if you look at Motorola a1000 or a920/925 you will see the smartest phone ever made with GPS and Symbian OS totaly beats p900. SonyEricsson dont afford to loose the battle too Motorola, and Apple want to go into the comsumer electronics market.
http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/...247_23,00.html
then there is possibility of that apple licensed from HP there iPaq system, and will redesign it and integrade it with iSync. but that is just a rumor.
but i am sure that apple will release a 3G smartphone like Motorola A1000, intergrated with Macintosh 20 anyversity "box".. or maybe the apple smartphone is da suprize?!
Originally posted by nevoz
So what are the options for Apples?
a- Build a PDA
But SJ said "No way" and the problems is that the market is the same of the current PDA market but with the limitation that there is no software house that will develop software for Apple. Is hard to find software for Macosx.. imagine how will be difficult for an apple pda.. Apple could build the best pda but no one will buy it..
b- Build a video iPod
Who will buy (at least $500) a big gadget to watch mtv video in metro?...
I don't know... music is different, as SJ said, with iPod you have the same experience of walkman.. the iPod is an evolution of walkman, but video iPod should be evolution of video player that already exist but they are expensive and too much big to carry in a pocket. Have you seen some one with Archos or Lyra walking and watching into one of these device? I don't think is cool.
c- Build a subsubnotebook like Oqo
I don't know if Apple can technically build somethink like that. I like that device but I think won't sell for is too much expensive ($2000!).
d- Build a pda/phone
Like "a". Difficult market.
e- A new device with wifi and 3G for web surfing
A device only for websurfing, that you can use at home with your personal airport or outside everywhere there is a wifi point. Like Blackberry you can check everytime your mail, video ichat and so on. (and, why not, watch videos). Outsider rendering is very nice! Could have that form.
f- A new device with gps for travelling
An electronic travelling guide (as I described before)
g- An evolution of iPod with video playback but only for tv and monitors.
What do you think?
Any idea?
I think we should look into this matter from another approach: The question is not "what is technically possible?" but "what do people want?". What do you want to do with your personal Apple PDA? Storing phone numbers? Reading email? Surfing the internet? Playing music? What else?
So far, all these things can be done very well with existing PDAs. I myself am a Mac evangelist born and breed -- and I detest Microsoft really very much! But, last summer my Palm m100 passed away -- so I had to look out for a new PDA. And so I had a very close look at all these devices -- including the Pocket PC ones. And in the end, I got a Toshiba e740 PocketPC. Upset? No, not at all! This is the best thing I've ever senn! The Toshiba has built-in WLAN, has a 65k-Color-TFT, has versions of Word and Excel on it (no need to convert documents), has an email client and an Internet Explorer right built-in. It plays my MP3 tracks (even in the background, because Pocket PCs do genuine multitasking!), plays videos (avi/mpeg), I can surf the web siiting on my couch (IE even supports Java!), I can play flash animations, can display PDFs (real PDF display -- with the real layout and fonts!), can do my banking stuff, can record voice, heck -- I can even watch RealOne TV streams on it (it can display 30 fps video!), or I listen to web radio in the background while I write an email. I can enter text using the stylus -- and I can even choose, how I like to do that: either with Grafitti, with a "Transcriber", that is strikingly similar to Newton's text input or using the on-screen keyboard -- and I can switch these input modes on the fly. I can add CompactFlash cards that offer plenty of room for my documents -- and can display my digital photos. The Pocket PC has even a built-in file system -- unlike in Palm devices, you can copy, move and delete files easily and put them into folders. I can even connect to my PowerMac running Panther wirelessly -- and can access my home folder on my harddrive! I even have an Extension that sticks on the dock connector of the Toshiba and offers an USB port (you can use any USB keyboard; you can connect external harddrives and more!) and an external VGA port. Load your presentations to your Pocket PC, connect a beamer and there you go! Try this with a Palm!
There is plenty of software for the Pocket PC -- I even found a complete C-64 emulation, that lets you play all those good-ol' C-64 games -- right on your PocketPC! I also have a registry hack that enabels font antialiasing all over the system -- that makes reading texts on screen a pleasure!
Considering all this stuff that my Pocket PC can do, I really ask myself what you possibly could want more. I paid around $300 for my Toshiba -- and I doubt that Apple will be able to develop a new kind of PDA with a new PDA operating system that can do more than Pocket PCs at a similar price. Let's face it -- there are plenty of good PDAs around already! The only problem we Mac folks have is that we keep messing around with crappy Palm devices! If there is one thing that Microsoft's annoyance department has overlooked -- believe me, it's the Pocket PC!
Oh, one more point: How do I sync it with my Mac? I use "The Missing Sync" that adds my Pocket PC to iSync -- it's as easy as that! No fuss!
Originally posted by danko
...then there is possibility of that apple licensed from HP there iPaq system, and will redesign it and integrade it with iSync. but that is just a rumor....
And an unlikely one at that. Why would Apple license a device designed to run a Microsoft OS, redesign it, and write software to integrate into the Mac platform. Seems like a lot of work to me when they could contact Microsoft and Intel (or whoever) and license a stock reference Pocket PC design and work from that.
The question is not "what is technically possible?" but "what do people want?"
You are right!
my list was made starting from function..
The problem with PPC is that (but i am not so sure... so...) MS is wasting a lot of money with PPC. They sell a lot of them but is not a boom and is not enough.. they are very expensive to build, they are trying to dominate a market and then decide the prices...
People prefer to buy iPod. IPod sell a lot.
I told that probably I will buy a toshiba e800 or another PPC with big screen and panoramic view... I don't know
Me too think that a pda like palm or PPC is impossible to do for apple for there will be few programs... and they will waste too much money.. and no one want it.
I think about a gadget, like the iPod or like cell phones, made for the mass market.
Is it possible?
Whodathunkit that Joe Public would prefer elegant design with relatively specific functionality (play music rather than be a digital swiss army knife)?
Color screen would be fun though. Run mini iTunes visual effects, also show the album art. (Battery life be damned)
I went from a Nextel greenscreen phone to a nice color Samsung phone, so little color screens are growing on me....
I think about a gadget, like the iPod or like cell phones, made for the mass market.
Is it possible? [/B]
I think that Apple will continue to evolve the iPod. Since they posted job offeers for engineers with MPEG experience, I bet that there is a video iPod in the pipeline. Maybe with a color screen to display cover art and digital photos while you are listening songs -- and maybe even to watch movies. But Steve himself said that he does not think that anyone would like to watch movies on such a small display -- so it is possible that the video iPod ("iPod AV"?) will only come with a compsite or s-video cable that connects to the dock connector and lets you watch movies on a TV.
Also, I would appreciate a new approach to deal with addresses and calendar data. Why use iSync? I'd like an iPod that syncs addresses as soon as I plug it in -- just like in iTunes! iCal and the Address Book should display events on the iPod in a similar way as iTunes does... I think that Apple has a big potential to make a really good allround tool on the basis of the iPod, but still has a long way to go...
Originally posted by danko
i can tell you that apple and sonyericsson "maybe" working on release a 3G phone/PDA. Apple has shown big interrest in the new 3G mobile systems and standards... like 3gp and acc which a the standards in 3G mobile terminals, and integration of streaming to 3g handset from darwin streaming server...
harald reported on this a while ago. he said that there *was* a phone about to come out and it got steve'd. well maybe not steve'd but the project was suddenly stopped. this was i presume for a non-3g phone.
so you think they are coming out with a 3g phone or are you pulling it out of somewhere?
Originally posted by Messiahtosh
Yeah, it is a cool idea to be able to watch your iPhoto Albums in a slideshow on the iPod, while on the go. Also, having a color screen to display cover art would be awesome as well. Hopefully a battery with reasonable durability can be used to help power such a product.
even better would be to display them on a tv from your ipod. s-video out or something...
Originally posted by othello
harald reported on this a while ago. he said that there *was* a phone about to come out and it got steve'd. well maybe not steve'd but the project was suddenly stopped. this was i presume for a non-3g phone.
so you think they are coming out with a 3g phone or are you pulling it out of somewhere?
yes, i think that apple and sonyericsson will make a new product together, ericsson will come with there great 3g mobile system (ericsson did invent and developed 3G mobile system, so) and apple will make good, and simple OS with loads of goodies..
Motorola just said that they will sell all shares of Symbian to Nokia, and Ericsson can not let Nokia rule the development of Symbian. So they need new parther, and it seems it will not be Microsoft, which Motorola will work this on the future mobiles.
GSM is officielly dead, 3G is comming and all the phones for the 3G will be smartphones.
3G is a new market and all the phone manufactures are really late with there phones, or they just have release some really crapt phones. Motorola in other hand has become the biggest and best 3G device developer.
So, Nokia will go with Symbian, Motorola = Microsoft, and SonyEricsson needs something new, different and cool!! Who can help them, maybe the company withe the strongest Brand this year?!
and the phone you talking about is probobly SonyEricsson Z1010.. its awsome 3G device..
Originally posted by danko
yes, i think that apple and sonyericsson will make a new product together, ericsson will come with there great 3g mobile system (ericsson did invent and developed 3G mobile system, so) and apple will make good, and simple OS with loads of goodies..
Motorola just said that they will sell all shares of Symbian to Nokia, and Ericsson can not let Nokia rule the development of Symbian. So they need new parther, and it seems it will not be Microsoft, which Motorola will work this on the future mobiles.
GSM is officielly dead, 3G is comming and all the phones for the 3G will be smartphones.
3G is a new market and all the phone manufactures are really late with there phones, or they just have release some really crapt phones. Motorola in other hand has become the biggest and best 3G device developer.
So, Nokia will go with Symbian, Motorola = Microsoft, and SonyEricsson needs something new, different and cool!! Who can help them, maybe the company withe the strongest Brand this year?!
and the phone you talking about is probobly SonyEricsson Z1010.. its awsome 3G device..
Okay, it's possible that SonyEricsson will do something with Apple. But 3G (UMTS) coverage is still lacking in most countries and I do not think that GSM is officially dead, since it does exactly what people want: it lets you place phone calls at a reasonable price! If SonyEricsson (and Apple, maybe) will come with another 3G phone, it has to be hybrid for GSM/3G compatibility.
Since Apple doesn't even bother to write an own operating system for their top-selling iPod, I can hardly imagine them writing a (Darwin-based?) OS for cell phones. Symbian is quite okay, and SonyEricsson has made good use of it so far. I could however imagine that they will licence QuickTime or parts of it for video streming in 3G applicances or for AAC audio playback. Besides, they are of course interested in iSync compatibility of their upcoming phone. There is just no point in writing a new cell phone OS from scratch -- at least not if you are not a cell phone manufacturer in the first place! Does anybody in here believe that Micro$oft earns any money with their PocketPC cell phone OS?
Since 3G in most european countries will only start this fall, I don't expect such a phone to ship until there is an adequate 3G coverage.
I put my money on another SonyEricsson/Symbian solution -- maybe with integrated chunks of licensed Apple software. Don't expect to run Panther on an Apple-branded cell phone anytime soon!
Originally posted by Yankeedoodle
I think we should look into this matter from another approach: The question is not "what is technically possible?" but "what do people want?". What do you want to do with your personal Apple PDA? Storing phone numbers? Reading email? Surfing the internet? Playing music? What else?
Apple *might* give people exactly what they are asking for. But, more than likely, they'll give us something we didn't even know we wanted.
Originally posted by clonenode
Apple *might* give people exactly what they are asking for. But, more than likely, they'll give us something we didn't even know we wanted.
You don't believe how much I hope you're right!
Originally posted by Yankeedoodle
Okay, it's possible that SonyEricsson will do something with Apple. But 3G (UMTS) coverage is still lacking in most countries and I do not think that GSM is officially dead, since it does exactly what people want: it lets you place phone calls at a reasonable price! If SonyEricsson (and Apple, maybe) will come with another 3G phone, it has to be hybrid for GSM/3G compatibility.
Since Apple doesn't even bother to write an own operating system for their top-selling iPod, I can hardly imagine them writing a (Darwin-based?) OS for cell phones. Symbian is quite okay, and SonyEricsson has made good use of it so far. I could however imagine that they will licence QuickTime or parts of it for video streming in 3G applicances or for AAC audio playback. Besides, they are of course interested in iSync compatibility of their upcoming phone. There is just no point in writing a new cell phone OS from scratch -- at least not if you are not a cell phone manufacturer in the first place! Does anybody in here believe that Micro$oft earns any money with their PocketPC cell phone OS?
Since 3G in most european countries will only start this fall, I don't expect such a phone to ship until there is an adequate 3G coverage.
I put my money on another SonyEricsson/Symbian solution -- maybe with integrated chunks of licensed Apple software. Don't expect to run Panther on an Apple-branded cell phone anytime soon!
Originally posted by danko
i can tell you that all 3G phones are GSM comptible like Airport Xtrem comptible with Airport
Er, no they aren't.
We've had 3G in the UK for a year now and the second biggest complaint after no coverage is lack of consistant GSM compatibility. Buying a 3G phone and using it with your 2G GSM SIM is a lottery. You also can't reliably use your 3G phone in a 2G area.
Basically it's very immature and I very much doubt Apple will get into it.
Looking to 2003's 'Year of the Notebook', analysts asked if Apple holds a strategy for 2004. Anderson said: "We have no specific theme this year, except growth for the company. There are three key drivers: portable ? mobility and wireless communications; the digital lifestyle and music, iPod, iPod mini and iTunes Music Store."
Did he say wireless communications ?!!!!
Originally posted by danko
i can tell you that all 3G phones are GSM comptible like Airport Xtrem comptible with Airport
3G is very different from GSM -- and in Europe also on differnet frequencies. So far, most 3G stuff is indeed crap (huge and bulky, weak batteries, interruptions when switching from 3G to GSM and back!) -- maybe Apple and SonyEricsson can change that... But I still don't believe it...
Originally posted by clonenode
This may or not be PDA related, but check out what Fred Anderson says in a Macworld UK story ... and I quote:
Looking to 2003's 'Year of the Notebook', analysts asked if Apple holds a strategy for 2004. Anderson said: "We have no specific theme this year, except growth for the company. There are three key drivers: portable ? mobility and wireless communications; the digital lifestyle and music, iPod, iPod mini and iTunes Music Store."
Did he say wireless communications ?!!!!
That caught my eye as well. I think the iPod's success may have encouraged them to take another leap. How soon is the million dollar question.
Originally posted by clonenode
This may or not be PDA related, but check out what Fred Anderson says in a Macworld UK story ... and I quote:
Looking to 2003's 'Year of the Notebook', analysts asked if Apple holds a strategy for 2004. Anderson said: "We have no specific theme this year, except growth for the company. There are three key drivers: portable ? mobility and wireless communications; the digital lifestyle and music, iPod, iPod mini and iTunes Music Store."
Did he say wireless communications ?!!!!
I'm guessing he means WiFi and the like.