well, everyone has their moments. and then there's this.
seriously, this thread is retarded. who gives a flying **** if the first purple heart was lame. he got a pile of others. he was actually there. this is so not thread worthy, but then again, i'm replying to this crap, so i suppose i'm just feeding the trolls.
well, everyone has their moments. and then there's this.
seriously, this thread is retarded. who gives a flying **** if the first purple heart was lame. he got a pile of others. he was actually there. this is so not thread worthy, but then again, i'm replying to this crap, so i suppose i'm just feeding the trolls.
We already had this discussion anyway. While I disagree with most of what 7E7 said in that thread, I found that at least that poster approached the topic with a less inflammatory attitude. Seriously- there are ways of stating things that shouldn't provoke people.
It doesn't need to "imply" anything since it is already history. We already know what he did. He took his "injuries" and used them as a means of coming home 4 months before his tour of duty ended. Upon arriving home he began working so that he could call those still in Vietnam baby-killers, murderers, rapists and war criminals.
Nick
1. Where, when, and for how long did you serve? Did you get a purple heart?
2. Can you provide any quotes where he (not you) called soldiers in Vietnam "baby-killers, murderers, rapists, or war criminals"? I would love to be educated further on this portion of his political career.
2. Can you provide any quotes where he (not you) called soldiers in Vietnam "baby-killers, murderers, rapists, or war criminals"? I would love to be educated further on this portion of his political career.
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
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We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, no reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.
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The war will continue. So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America
So it's not ok for a comic strip to call Tillman a racist and not a war hero, but it is ok to impugn the reputation of Kerry?
I don't get it.
Kerry is attempting to use his war record to impugn others. Additionally Kerry came back from getting this supposed Purple Heart and called his fellow troops war criminals.
There is a difference between suggesting things about someone, (aka Tillman racist) and actually having their history demonstrate something about them.
Its funny how this thread is supposedly low and pathetic, when quite a few of the detractors here were quick to chime in on a recent "About that National Gaurd thing again" thread which also goes over the minutia of certain candidate's military record.
But it did get me to re-read his testimony and remember how hard it must have been. Having to try to sum up the mixed feelings of thousands of returning veterans is not an easy task.
Kerry is attempting to use his war record to impugn others. Additionally Kerry came back from getting this supposed Purple Heart and called his fellow troops war criminals.
Nick
What about his purple heart(s) is "supposed"? Was he not awarded them?
What about his purple heart(s) is "supposed"? Was he not awarded them?
Well on Kerry's first purple heart, it wasn't awarded to him. Almost all medals are awarded because the armed services determined that the person did something to warrant it.
Kerry however REQUESTED is first purple heart. The request was denied and he applied for it yet again with a different commanding officer.
You can call it whatever you want. I posted the description of the injury. I posted the circumstances regarding how it was requested rather that awarded. You can call it whatever you want, but I know what I call it.
But it did get me to re-read his testimony and remember how hard it must have been. Having to try to sum up the mixed feelings of thousands of returning veterans is not an easy task.
Actually it did answer the question. I don't think it was hard though. Kerry finds it easy to repeat lies to further his political career.
Its funny how this thread is supposedly low and pathetic, when quite a few of the detractors here were quick to chime in on a recent "About that National Gaurd thing again" thread which also goes over the minutia of certain candidate's military record.
<insert rolleyes smiley here>
Look at the dates that that (national gaurd) thread was started, then look at the date of the other 'Kerry war thread' . . . it was brought up because of that other THREAD EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE: about Kerry's supposed lack of heroism while getting those numerous medals for heroism!!
Well on Kerry's first purple heart, it wasn't awarded to him. Almost all medals are awarded because the armed services determined that the person did something to warrant it.
Kerry however REQUESTED is first purple heart. The request was denied and he applied for it yet again with a different commanding officer.
You can call it whatever you want. I posted the description of the injury. I posted the circumstances regarding how it was requested rather that awarded. You can call it whatever you want, but I know what I call it.
Nick
This is not general knowledge; therefore, you should cite it. <---I know it hasn't been that long since you wrote your last college paper!
Kerry is attempting to use his war record to impugn others. Additionally Kerry came back from getting this supposed Purple Heart and called his fellow troops war criminals.
So protesting somehow discounts all previous service? That's interesting. You know, I think that Cognitive Behavioral Therapists have it all wrong and have spoken openly about that. Should my master's thesis be revoked?
Do you have a link where Kerry is using his war record to impugn others, as you say? (Are you using yours to impugn his?)
You are unbelievable. Unless you, yourself are some sort of war hero, I think you need rethink a couple things...
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There is a difference between suggesting things about someone, (aka Tillman racist) and actually having their history demonstrate something about them.
What has history demonstrated about Kerry's war record? That he didn't actually serve? You're obfuscating the issues here. Stick with the topic. Kerry didn't serve his country. (oh, wait, he did. What was your point again?)
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seriously, this thread is retarded. who gives a flying **** if the first purple heart was lame. he got a pile of others. he was actually there. this is so not thread worthy, but then again, i'm replying to this crap, so i suppose i'm just feeding the trolls.
George Bush lubed, wearing a thong.
His head around the bedroom door, he beckons to me, a half smile on his gentle lips, the lines around his eyes creased.
I put my trumpet down. I nod my head. The movement is barely perceptible.
Yes, George.
Yes.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
George Bush.
George Bush lubed, wearing a thong.
His head around the bedroom door, he beckons to me, a half smile on his gentle lips, the lines around his eyes creased.
I put my trumpet down. I nod my head. The movement is barely perceptible.
Yes, George.
Yes.
And then maybe one of these?
Originally posted by alcimedes
well, everyone has their moments. and then there's this.
seriously, this thread is retarded. who gives a flying **** if the first purple heart was lame. he got a pile of others. he was actually there. this is so not thread worthy, but then again, i'm replying to this crap, so i suppose i'm just feeding the trolls.
We already had this discussion anyway. While I disagree with most of what 7E7 said in that thread, I found that at least that poster approached the topic with a less inflammatory attitude. Seriously- there are ways of stating things that shouldn't provoke people.
It's just sad, really, to see people act like this.
Originally posted by trumptman
It doesn't need to "imply" anything since it is already history. We already know what he did. He took his "injuries" and used them as a means of coming home 4 months before his tour of duty ended. Upon arriving home he began working so that he could call those still in Vietnam baby-killers, murderers, rapists and war criminals.
Nick
1. Where, when, and for how long did you serve? Did you get a purple heart?
2. Can you provide any quotes where he (not you) called soldiers in Vietnam "baby-killers, murderers, rapists, or war criminals"? I would love to be educated further on this portion of his political career.
Originally posted by buckeye
2. Can you provide any quotes where he (not you) called soldiers in Vietnam "baby-killers, murderers, rapists, or war criminals"? I would love to be educated further on this portion of his political career.
Kerry Said...
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
...
We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, no reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.
...
The war will continue. So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America
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Originally posted by torifile
So it's not ok for a comic strip to call Tillman a racist and not a war hero, but it is ok to impugn the reputation of Kerry?
I don't get it.
Kerry is attempting to use his war record to impugn others. Additionally Kerry came back from getting this supposed Purple Heart and called his fellow troops war criminals.
There is a difference between suggesting things about someone, (aka Tillman racist) and actually having their history demonstrate something about them.
Nick
<insert rolleyes smiley here>
Originally posted by Scott
Well that doesn't answer the question.
But it did get me to re-read his testimony and remember how hard it must have been. Having to try to sum up the mixed feelings of thousands of returning veterans is not an easy task.
Originally posted by trumptman
Kerry is attempting to use his war record to impugn others. Additionally Kerry came back from getting this supposed Purple Heart and called his fellow troops war criminals.
Nick
What about his purple heart(s) is "supposed"? Was he not awarded them?
Originally posted by buckeye
What about his purple heart(s) is "supposed"? Was he not awarded them?
Well on Kerry's first purple heart, it wasn't awarded to him. Almost all medals are awarded because the armed services determined that the person did something to warrant it.
Kerry however REQUESTED is first purple heart. The request was denied and he applied for it yet again with a different commanding officer.
You can call it whatever you want. I posted the description of the injury. I posted the circumstances regarding how it was requested rather that awarded. You can call it whatever you want, but I know what I call it.
Nick
Originally posted by buckeye
Well that doesn't answer the question.
But it did get me to re-read his testimony and remember how hard it must have been. Having to try to sum up the mixed feelings of thousands of returning veterans is not an easy task.
Actually it did answer the question. I don't think it was hard though. Kerry finds it easy to repeat lies to further his political career.
Originally posted by Scott
Kerry finds it easy to repeat lies to further his political career.
?and this differs from other politicians how?
Originally posted by dviant
Its funny how this thread is supposedly low and pathetic, when quite a few of the detractors here were quick to chime in on a recent "About that National Gaurd thing again" thread which also goes over the minutia of certain candidate's military record.
<insert rolleyes smiley here>
Look at the dates that that (national gaurd) thread was started, then look at the date of the other 'Kerry war thread' . . . it was brought up because of that other THREAD EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE: about Kerry's supposed lack of heroism while getting those numerous medals for heroism!!
Originally posted by trumptman
Well on Kerry's first purple heart, it wasn't awarded to him. Almost all medals are awarded because the armed services determined that the person did something to warrant it.
Kerry however REQUESTED is first purple heart. The request was denied and he applied for it yet again with a different commanding officer.
You can call it whatever you want. I posted the description of the injury. I posted the circumstances regarding how it was requested rather that awarded. You can call it whatever you want, but I know what I call it.
Nick
This is not general knowledge; therefore, you should cite it. <---I know it hasn't been that long since you wrote your last college paper!
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Originally posted by trumptman
Kerry is attempting to use his war record to impugn others. Additionally Kerry came back from getting this supposed Purple Heart and called his fellow troops war criminals.
So protesting somehow discounts all previous service? That's interesting. You know, I think that Cognitive Behavioral Therapists have it all wrong and have spoken openly about that. Should my master's thesis be revoked?
Do you have a link where Kerry is using his war record to impugn others, as you say? (Are you using yours to impugn his?)
You are unbelievable. Unless you, yourself are some sort of war hero, I think you need rethink a couple things...
There is a difference between suggesting things about someone, (aka Tillman racist) and actually having their history demonstrate something about them.
What has history demonstrated about Kerry's war record? That he didn't actually serve? You're obfuscating the issues here. Stick with the topic. Kerry didn't serve his country. (oh, wait, he did. What was your point again?)