What's the transistor count on the 970fx then? And someone on here has to have the service manual, cause that is the ulitmate judge. Why would they list different part numbers for the exact same processor? And I thought the Xserve was on backorder so what's your reason for saying that? That one site???
What's the transistor count on the 970fx then? And someone on here has to have the service manual, cause that is the ulitmate judge. Why would they list different part numbers for the exact same processor? And I thought the Xserve was on backorder so what's your reason for saying that? That one site???
The Xserve Dual 2 is not on back order that I know of, We have 10 of them sitting in our office. We've had them for about 7 weeks now.
They are listing different part #'s for the computers not the cpu's, I thought. Either way, remember that the cooling system has been redesigned on the dual 2g... it's not water cooled but the processor section is just that, its own section...
I was just giving that one website as a quick reference off of the top of my head. Maccentral and macnn have both said it as well.
You're right, only true way to tell is with a manual, which probably won't come out until next months service updates.
I ordered mine the very next day after they were released. Not only that, but I ordered through ADC (higher priority). The first email I got was july 5th, I got another email claiming july 29th, so I called ADC / Apple and they told me July 29th.
Me:
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Well there is always the possiblity that maybe the processor isn't what's holding up the 2.5Ghz, maybe it could be the liquid cooling system. Who knows.
Just stating what I've read on other forums and how people have compared the product #'s for the processors and they were different. Then why do I have over a 10 day wait for a graphics card swap? This makes my 3rd mac and i've never had to wait this long, and while you want to talk about the day it was released it's funny this exact site had that all new PowerMac's had the 970fx .... but I understand they "don't" Still don't believe anything until I see it myself because there is too much speculation and not enough facts from Apple.
Well, Apple reps confirmed here at Mac Expo Germany, that ALL new machines use the 970FX processor. That's what I've been told. And it should make a difference regarding power consumption.
Just stating what I've read on other forums and how people have compared the product #'s for the processors and they were different. Then why do I have over a 10 day wait for a graphics card swap? This makes my 3rd mac and i've never had to wait this long, and while you want to talk about the day it was released it's funny this exact site had that all new PowerMac's had the 970fx .... but I understand they "don't" Still don't believe anything until I see it myself because there is too much speculation and not enough facts from Apple.
Again, if you order a straight dual 2.0 it will ship THAT DAY or the NEXT. All BTO options on any mac take 4-5 days.
Not to say you are wrong but out of the last 2 BTO computers one being 2 weeks ago and another being 4 weeks ago, all were BTO and they were ALL Shipped the same day and recieved 2 days later. One was even a PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8Ghz the friday before Revisions. Anyways, do you know where I can see a service manual?
If you do a build to order on a 15" iMac and add ram, harddrive you will get a 7-10 day shipping estimate.
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Back to the Xserve dual 2, I'd be willing to be the reason there is a huge delay right now is for Virginia tech and the other Government Super computer. Last week the annual SuperComputer tests were done, BigMac didn't get tested because it was down. They are currently putting all of the XServes in now. That is 1600 Xserves btw. I believe they are all dual 2 cluster nodes and servers.
That being said I'm sure apple has had to take a hit on shipping any out to anyone else.
Well, I ordered my 2Ghz dual with the 9600XT upgrade on "opening day" and waited the extra week for it to ship. It arrived today, and although the sticker on the outside of the box indicates that it has the 9600XT (they must have gotten a bunch of requests to actually have stickers), it shipped with the nVidia 5200!
I called Apple and they are arranging for a card swap, but at first they just wanted to switch machines...yikes!
Moral: check System Profiler to make sure you got what you were supposed to....
Drew
PS: The new heat sink cover IS one piece, despite what other boards have been noting...
drewsaur congrats on the new system, that's exactly what I ordered, hopefully won't have the problem you did. Can you do us all a favor and gives us the details inside the apple system profiler???? If you can take pics of the heatsink and stuff that'd be cool too Orderd mine last friday and sill have to wait another week for it to ship.....
Well, I ordered my 2Ghz dual with the 9600XT upgrade on "opening day" and waited the extra week for it to ship. It arrived today, and although the sticker on the outside of the box indicates that it has the 9600XT (they must have gotten a bunch of requests to actually have stickers), it shipped with the nVidia 5200!
I called Apple and they are arranging for a card swap, but at first they just wanted to switch machines...yikes!
Moral: check System Profiler to make sure you got what you were supposed to....
Drew
PS: The new heat sink cover IS one piece, despite what other boards have been noting...
But does it have the two "G5" processor marks on it? And an engraved line dividing the two on the plate?
drewsaur congrats on the new system, that's exactly what I ordered, hopefully won't have the problem you did. Can you do us all a favor and gives us the details inside the apple system profiler???? If you can take pics of the heatsink and stuff that'd be cool too Orderd mine last friday and sill have to wait another week for it to ship.....
Boot rom version has nothing to do with the model of the chip. Boot rom is nothing more than an updated software. You can change your boot rom version by flashing it yourself...
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Originally posted by O4BlackWRX
What's the transistor count on the 970fx then? And someone on here has to have the service manual, cause that is the ulitmate judge. Why would they list different part numbers for the exact same processor? And I thought the Xserve was on backorder so what's your reason for saying that? That one site???
The Xserve Dual 2 is not on back order that I know of, We have 10 of them sitting in our office. We've had them for about 7 weeks now.
They are listing different part #'s for the computers not the cpu's, I thought. Either way, remember that the cooling system has been redesigned on the dual 2g... it's not water cooled but the processor section is just that, its own section...
I was just giving that one website as a quick reference off of the top of my head. Maccentral and macnn have both said it as well.
You're right, only true way to tell is with a manual, which probably won't come out until next months service updates.
You:
I ordered mine the very next day after they were released. Not only that, but I ordered through ADC (higher priority). The first email I got was july 5th, I got another email claiming july 29th, so I called ADC / Apple and they told me July 29th.
Me:
Well there is always the possiblity that maybe the processor isn't what's holding up the 2.5Ghz, maybe it could be the liquid cooling system. Who knows.
Where can you get a service manual/look at one?
the DAY of release. Maccentral who interviewed the apple hardware rep said that the 970fx was only the 2.5Ghz.
then, someone else comfirms it by actually checking the number on the actual processors over at Ars.
what more do you want?
Originally posted by O4BlackWRX
Just stating what I've read on other forums and how people have compared the product #'s for the processors and they were different. Then why do I have over a 10 day wait for a graphics card swap? This makes my 3rd mac and i've never had to wait this long, and while you want to talk about the day it was released it's funny this exact site had that all new PowerMac's had the 970fx .... but I understand they "don't" Still don't believe anything until I see it myself because there is too much speculation and not enough facts from Apple.
Again, if you order a straight dual 2.0 it will ship THAT DAY or the NEXT. All BTO options on any mac take 4-5 days.
If you do a build to order on a 15" iMac and add ram, harddrive you will get a 7-10 day shipping estimate.
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Back to the Xserve dual 2, I'd be willing to be the reason there is a huge delay right now is for Virginia tech and the other Government Super computer. Last week the annual SuperComputer tests were done, BigMac didn't get tested because it was down. They are currently putting all of the XServes in now. That is 1600 Xserves btw. I believe they are all dual 2 cluster nodes and servers.
That being said I'm sure apple has had to take a hit on shipping any out to anyone else.
I called Apple and they are arranging for a card swap, but at first they just wanted to switch machines...yikes!
Moral: check System Profiler to make sure you got what you were supposed to....
Drew
PS: The new heat sink cover IS one piece, despite what other boards have been noting...
Originally posted by drewsaur
Well, I ordered my 2Ghz dual with the 9600XT upgrade on "opening day" and waited the extra week for it to ship. It arrived today, and although the sticker on the outside of the box indicates that it has the 9600XT (they must have gotten a bunch of requests to actually have stickers), it shipped with the nVidia 5200!
I called Apple and they are arranging for a card swap, but at first they just wanted to switch machines...yikes!
Moral: check System Profiler to make sure you got what you were supposed to....
Drew
PS: The new heat sink cover IS one piece, despite what other boards have been noting...
But does it have the two "G5" processor marks on it? And an engraved line dividing the two on the plate?
Originally posted by Chaser
But does it have the two "G5" processor marks on it? And an engraved line dividing the two on the plate?
Yes. It is as pictured on the Apple site.
Drew
Originally posted by O4BlackWRX
drewsaur congrats on the new system, that's exactly what I ordered, hopefully won't have the problem you did. Can you do us all a favor and gives us the details inside the apple system profiler???? If you can take pics of the heatsink and stuff that'd be cool too
Basic processor info:
Machine Model
CPU Type
Number Of CPUs
CPU Speed
L2 Cache (per CPU)
Memory
Bus Speed
Boot ROM Version
Old G5 Dual 2.0Ghz:
CPU Type: PowerPC 970 (2.2)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 2 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 1 GHz
Boot ROM Version: 5.1.5f2
NEW G5 Dual 2.0Ghz:
Machine Model: Power Mac G5
CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (2.2)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 2 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 1 GHz
Boot ROM Version: 5.1.8f2
I also gathered this information from an apple discussion board:
My DP 1.8GHz Rev. A reads: CPU Type: PowerPC 970 (2.2)
A new DP 2.0GHz Rev. B reads: CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (2.2)
oh and one last site to look at:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_shipping/index.html
So if the new Dual 2.0Ghz is not the 970FX why doesn't it say 970?? Just my thoughts.
You can read about it here: Mac Boot Rom
EveryMac stats
They claim they are all 970fx... this is very interesting.