Neil Young Sucks
We have a little bit of iTunes sharing going on at the office. . . A little blessing that came of age since HP started bundling iTunes with their computers. I also have a lab computer set up with iTunes so we can listen to stuff in the lab.
Someone just uploaded a shit-ton of Neil Young to the lab server. Now, I think I know who it is, being he only person paranoid enough to not share anything for security reasons. (Yes, we are behind a firewall).
So my random song selection now turns up all this damn Neil Young. I am amazed that he managed to survive long enough to make so many awful songs. The lyrics suck, the music sucks, and his voice is arguably worse that Geddy Lee's.
Someone just uploaded a shit-ton of Neil Young to the lab server. Now, I think I know who it is, being he only person paranoid enough to not share anything for security reasons. (Yes, we are behind a firewall).
So my random song selection now turns up all this damn Neil Young. I am amazed that he managed to survive long enough to make so many awful songs. The lyrics suck, the music sucks, and his voice is arguably worse that Geddy Lee's.
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Young is alright, for a Canadian,
just kidding, I forgot about Rush --- anyway, pickup Harvest Moon it's pretty good, and when he was with CSN, he did some pretty good work.....but yes, his voice on "Heart of Gold" SUCKS.
Anyway, I'm about to modify the Crap Music Filter(tm.)
Originally posted by Splinemodel
We have a little bit of iTunes sharing going on at the office. . . A little blessing that came of age since HP started bundling iTunes with their computers. I also have a lab computer set up with iTunes so we can listen to stuff in the lab.
Someone just uploaded a shit-ton of Neil Young to the lab server. Now, I think I know who it is, being he only person paranoid enough to not share anything for security reasons. (Yes, we are behind a firewall).
So my random song selection now turns up all this damn Neil Young. I am amazed that he managed to survive long enough to make so many awful songs. The lyrics suck, the music sucks, and his voice is arguably worse that Geddy Lee's.
please share what you consider to be good music..... because as of now you are making it very apparent that you have horrible taste and judgment. But what else is new with you.
A mathematician (or perhaps a cult of mathematicians) invented music. I find that very suiting.
Originally posted by applenut
please share what you consider to be good music..... because as of now you are making it very apparent that you have horrible taste and judgment.
Absolutely correct!!
Neil has a bad album or two and a few truly awful songs . . . but the man is will-nigh a Rock and Roll Genius: master of the not difficult to play, straight forward but emotionally profound master-piece
Saying 'Rush' and Niel Young in the same sentence is laughable . . . Rush seems pathetically idiotic when they are up against Niel Young's insightful folk-based songwriting
They write stupid songs with a copy of Existentialism For Beginners in their hands . . . they end up with pretentious but supposedly 'complex' songs . . . that kind of 'complexity' is neither complex nor profound . . . and its only interesting for beginning musicians who mistake that false complexity for real musicianship . . . . that's why real musicians and music afficianados understand that Niel Young is not only a great song writer but is also a great musician . . .
Please stop showing your ignorance . . . like dirty laundry . . .
THE INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!
Originally posted by pfflam
They write stupid songs with a copy of Existentialism For Beginners in their hands . . . they end up with pretentious but supposedly 'complex' songs . . . that kind of 'complexity' is neither complex nor profound . . . and its only interesting for beginning musicians who mistake that false complexity for real musicianship . . . .
You Blasphemer
(for a bunch of dope smokers, that is, they did some pretty neat stuff -- at least Peart did)
Good Heavens, pfflam I hate to see your critique of Yes and King Crimson!
Originally posted by pfflam
Absolutely correct!!
Neil has a bad album or two and a few truly awful songs . . . but the man is will-nigh a Rock and Roll Genius: master of the not difficult to play, straight forward but emotionally profound master-piece
Saying 'Rush' and Niel Young in the same sentence is laughable . . . Rush seems pathetically idiotic when they are up against Niel Young's insightful folk-based songwriting
Alright. You're so special. get over it. In the last two weeks I've heard damn near every song Neil Young has to offer. Rush has some bad songs too. not the issue. The bottom line is. . . . . . I think Neil Young is a waste of time. There is other music I don't like as well, so don't take it so personally.
I'm not asking you to hate Neil Young's work. I'm asking you to tell me why you could possibly like his music. You did. Wonderful. I happen to fully disagree with you. I have never heard any type of rock that is needlessly complex. Rock is simple, to the point, catchy, and perhaps stimulating. Most of what I hear from Neil Young is merely simple, so it clearly doesn't qualify as "rock" in my eyes. It's an outgrowth of minstralism taken to a 20th century end, and personally I doubt that Neil Young is even qualified to utter the utterances that he does. It's like listening to "Guns 'N Roses" sing about the Civil War. In other words, it makes me think he's a stupid shit not worth my time.
As far as "false complexity," you could never be so wrong. Perhaps you're just not discerning. That's quite possible, since very few people actually are, or care enough to make an ass of themselves in saying that someone else "is not discerning." But this is near and dear to the heart. I have heard what Neil Young has to offer, and I haven't been ambivalent, but I have been repulsed. You can take your culture, your "good taste," and whatever else, and you can stick it. Because you know what? I hate Neil Young, and chances are I have no less "culture" than you. If he had never made music, my life would be better. Generally speaking, I could say that about the whole folk movement. I'm sure it impacts someone, somewhere, but it doesn't impact me at all. Deal with the fact that I don't like what you like.
My gripe is that someone fucked my server with several gigs of shit folk music: much of it Neil Young. It's not expanding me. I've heard it all before.
With my assessment of math in music, it's plain to anyone with a mathematic bias that complexity is bad, especially superfluous complexity. Good music is not superfluous at all. You can see this particularly in comparisons between good classical composers. Folk music is just so damn plain that it fails to intrigue me in any which way. Sure, it's lyric based, but it's not like Neil Young is striving for the top with his craft. I have read, heard, and seen many, many better expositions than what it seems Neil Young's mind can comprehend. You are free to call me "pretentious," but perhaps you're just missing the point, and I'm more mathematic than you are, and that's where it all started in the first place.
Originally posted by pfflam
Please stop showing your ignorance . . . like dirty laundry . . .
a man needs a maid, huh?
Originally posted by Splinemodel
I have read, heard, and seen many, many better expositions than what it seems Neil Young's mind can comprehend. You are free to call me "pretentious," but perhaps you're just missing the point, and I'm more mathematic than you are, and that's where it all started in the first place.
No. It's not about you being pretentious. It is about this: you apparently simply have bad taste.
Call me old school. Call me David Hume. But I am not a fan of the democratization of taste. Some people have it. Some people don't.
There are easy fixes for this.
Originally posted by midwinter
No. It's not about you being pretentious. It is about this: you apparently simply have bad taste.
Call me old school. Call me David Hume. But I am not a fan of the democratization of taste. Some people have it. Some people don't.
There are easy fixes for this.
I won't call you David Hume, but I will call you unimpressive, by association with your fan-ship Neil Young. You may call me the same, as you definitely did, but I wanted to let you know that a person with "bad taste" can hold you in low esteem, all the while being extremely high class about it. And Oh, I can tell you that I'm not the only one, particularly as wealth and history being the great motivators of the issue of "taste," I think you'll have a hard time floating your perception of Neil Young.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
I won't call you David Hume, but I will call you unimpressive, by association with your fan-ship Neil Young. You may call me the same, as you definitely did, but I wanted to let you know that a person with "bad taste" can hold you in low esteem, all the while being extremely high class about it.
The problem is that you are wrong and I am right about this. I'm sorry. I know if must be painful to go through life believing that good taste in music is relative, and that it's OK for people to listen to and enjoy whatever music pleases them.
But it's not. When you do that, when you buy that Britney Spears CD or download that version of Rush's "Trees" from the iTMS, you retard the arts, tarnish the virtues, and confuse the manners of your country.*
Cheers
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* That last bit paraphrased from John Ruskin.
After The Gold Rush
Broken Arrow
Burned
Campaigner
Cinnamon Girl
Cortez The Killer
Cowgirl In The Sand
Deep Forbidden Lake
Down By The River
Down To The Wire
Expecting To Fly
For The Turnstiles
Harvest
Heart Of Gold
Helpless
I Am A Child
I Believe In You
Like A Hurricane
Long May You Run
Love Is A Rose
Mr. Soul
Ohio
Old Man
Soldier
Southern Man
Star Of Bethlehem
Sugar Mountain
The Loner
The Needle And The Damage Done
The Old Laughing Lady
Tired Eyes
Tonight's The Night (Part 1)
Walk On
Winterlong
Some of my favorite songs- period.
Originally posted by tonton
You can't possibly say that someone who dislikes Neil Young has bad taste... just because you say so. They just have different taste.
Personally, I can't stand the guy. And Dylan, as well.
Yes. Yes I can. And your admission that you don't like Dylan simply proves that you, too, have bad taste.
You like what you like. I hate Neil Young but worship Nick Drake. I love Kings of Convenience and Belle & Sebastian, too. And hate Bob Dylan.
That's great. Perhaps it simply means that your good taste has been corrupted.
I love Yes and like King Crimson (and Sylvian/Fripp) but Rush doesn't do much for me.
Yes and King Crimson are Tenacious D with better musicianship.
Taste is relative.
Yes. But good taste is not.
Originally posted by pfflam
that's why real musicians and music afficianados understand that Niel Young is not only a great song writer but is also a great musician . . .
Can't say that about his backing band, though.
It comes as something of a relief when Crazy Horse lumber gracelessly over the horizon on Goin' Home, a cross between the cavalry and the stragglers in a donkey derby. Now nearing their 60s, Crazy Horse still play as though someone handed them instruments by mistake. Perhaps irked by Young's recent dalliances with other backing bands, they sound more thrillingly Neanderthal here than they have in years. Drummer Frank Sampedro displays the delicate touch of a man trying to beat a yak to death with a concrete slab; the rest concentrate on providing a riff so primitive its knuckles trail the ground. It's fantastic.
I love the rock critics at the Guardian.
Originally posted by tonton
By the way, doesn't like half our country love country music? How come there are never any country music fans on these boards?
Personally I hate country (except Johnny Cash), but I'm just wondering.
Lots of country music is good music. I find myself increasingly listening to country music and bluegrass as I get older.