Installing Tiger with Migration Assistant
Tiger will allow the usual Upgrade Install, and the Archive and Install options in addition to the Erase and Install ("Clean Install").
However, there is a way to avoid the manual recopying of everything from an Archive and Install or a manual backup - use Tiger's Migration Assistant.
The Migration Assistant requires another volume (partition, external drive including large iPod) that contains the "old" information that you want to migrate to the new Tiger clean install. SO:
1. If you have a spare partition on your current Panther drive:
- Clean Install Tiger on the spare partition.
- When the Migration Assistant runs, point it to the current Panther partition.
- Done.
2. If you don't have a spare partition, but you have an external drive or large iPod:
- Use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the Panther drive to the external drive. You can't just copy over bits and pieces because the Migration Assistant needs a full OS X volume to copy from. Carbon Copy Cloner can be found at
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13260 .
- Once you have the Panther volume copied to the external or large iPod, then run the Tiger Install disk and do a clean install. This will wipe out your Panther install on the hard drive, so some might advise making a second backup of your Panther Home folder to DVD or other media.
- When the Tiger installation asks if you want to run the Migration Assistant, say yes and point it to the CCC Panther clone that you made on the external drive.
- Done.
However, there is a way to avoid the manual recopying of everything from an Archive and Install or a manual backup - use Tiger's Migration Assistant.
The Migration Assistant requires another volume (partition, external drive including large iPod) that contains the "old" information that you want to migrate to the new Tiger clean install. SO:
1. If you have a spare partition on your current Panther drive:
- Clean Install Tiger on the spare partition.
- When the Migration Assistant runs, point it to the current Panther partition.
- Done.
2. If you don't have a spare partition, but you have an external drive or large iPod:
- Use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the Panther drive to the external drive. You can't just copy over bits and pieces because the Migration Assistant needs a full OS X volume to copy from. Carbon Copy Cloner can be found at
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13260 .
- Once you have the Panther volume copied to the external or large iPod, then run the Tiger Install disk and do a clean install. This will wipe out your Panther install on the hard drive, so some might advise making a second backup of your Panther Home folder to DVD or other media.
- When the Tiger installation asks if you want to run the Migration Assistant, say yes and point it to the CCC Panther clone that you made on the external drive.
- Done.
Comments
I have a 40GB iPod, so I'll be going that route. I understand that I'll need to adjust my iPod setting to use it as an external drive. I think I can handle that.
When you say "clone the Panther drive to the external drive", is that a process CCC will walk me through clearly or do I need to develop some understanding of partitions and similar things beforehand? Will it ask me "Clone All?" or do I need to know what to have it do?
Thanks!
I think I may go for the clean install after all if this is pretty straightforward.
P.S. Does all of this also hold true for those of us with Jaguar? I have 10.2.3 right now.
Originally posted by hirsch22
Please bear with a rookie question.
When you say "clone the Panther drive to the external drive", is that a process CCC will walk me through clearly or do I need to develop some understanding of partitions and similar things beforehand? Will it ask me "Clone All?" or do I need to know what to have it do?
It's easy. Just run the app and it will tell you what to do. If you are concerned that you are tight on fitting onto the iPod's 40GB, you might want to trash the /Users/youraccount/Library/Caches folder first. This is useless stuff that takes up space.
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Thanks!
I think I may go for the clean install after all if this is pretty straightforward.
P.S. Does all of this also hold true for those of us with Jaguar? I have 10.2.3 right now.
Yep.
Don't forget though - nothing is perfect and you might want to copy the Jagwyre Home folder to a DVD just in case something goes whacko with the iPod.
Originally posted by Tony Swash
If you do a clean install are all your Applications and Utilities still installed or do they have to be copied over via the Migration assistant?
Clean Install erases the volume and installs TIger, complete with all of its apps and utilities, BSD, and printer drivers.
Then the Migration Assistant will copy over everything on the previous volume that doesn't have a newer version on the Tiger clean install. Which is precisely what you want. I have not tried running the M.A. AFTER using the Tiger install for a while - I can see where that might be a problem as the M.A. would not be able to tell if you wanted your current Safari bookmarks, or the ones on the old volume.
But if you run the M.A. DURING the Tiger install (as it tells you to), then there are no "prefs" since no apps have been run yet, and it can be sure that the prefs on the old disk are the ones that you want.
i cant do a clean install because there is 10gb of stuff in just one folder at root level (lets call it "/_backups") i want to leave on the hard disk, no space to put it anywhere else
but everything else can go, eg, home folders, what not
lets say i boot up from Tiger dvd when i get it, can i then delete all other folders on the hard disk except for my /_backups folder, then do the Upgrade Install ?
i know i'm a paranoid android
... no it is not p0rn !!!11!!
Originally posted by sunilraman
this is one of those 'bad habits' from pc days but i dont 'trust' the upgrade install...
i cant do a clean install because there is 10gb of stuff in just one folder at root level (lets call it "/_backups") i want to leave on the hard disk, no space to put it anywhere else
but everything else can go, eg, home folders, what not
lets say i boot up from Tiger dvd when i get it, can i then delete all other folders on the hard disk except for my /_backups folder, then do the Upgrade Install ?
i know i'm a paranoid android
... no it is not p0rn !!!11!!
you can do an archive and install which erases all your preferences etc. but keeps documents, emails etc. Just for the record there is a problem with Mail so back that up. Upgrades have always worked fine for me and i fiddle with the system a lot
Originally posted by MacCrazy
you can do an archive and install which erases all your preferences etc. but keeps documents, emails etc. Just for the record there is a problem with Mail so back that up. Upgrades have always worked fine for me and i fiddle with the system a lot
cool thanks... i would be devastated if i lost my full and current collection of Alias Season 4 episodes
Originally posted by sunilraman
cool thanks... i would be devastated if i lost my full and current collection of Alias Season 4 episodes
sorry i made a mistake earlier, Mac OS X saves your preferences but in a folder called "old system."
Originally posted by sunilraman
this is one of those 'bad habits' from pc days but i dont 'trust' the upgrade install...
i cant do a clean install because there is 10gb of stuff in just one folder at root level (lets call it "/_backups") i want to leave on the hard disk, no space to put it anywhere else
but everything else can go, eg, home folders, what not
Can you burn that 10GB to 2 DVDs with Disk Utility?
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lets say i boot up from Tiger dvd when i get it, can i then delete all other folders on the hard disk except for my /_backups folder, then do the Upgrade Install ?
Not while you are installing. There is no Finder to go to. I am not confident that an Archive Install would save something at the root level - be advised.Quote:
i know i'm a paranoid android
... no it is not p0rn !!!11!!
I would just make sure that the files are in your Home folder somewhere - perhaps in the Movies folder, before depending on Archive/Install.
Originally posted by lundy
Can you burn that 10GB to 2 DVDs with Disk Utility?
Not while you are installing. There is no Finder to go to. I am not confident that an Archive Install would save something at the root level - be advised.
I would just make sure that the files are in your Home folder somewhere - perhaps in the Movies folder, before depending on Archive/Install.
nope, i don't have DVD burner.
thanks for the info, it has been very helpful... i'm confident i'll work something out.
Originally posted by lundy
Can you burn that 10GB to 2 DVDs with Disk Utility?
Not while you are installing. There is no Finder to go to. I am not confident that an Archive Install would save something at the root level - be advised.
I would just make sure that the files are in your Home folder somewhere - perhaps in the Movies folder, before depending on Archive/Install.
I have a quick question:
I have run CCC on external drive yesterday. But have done more work on my system plus mail down loads etc. I noticed a sync option in CCC. Does that sync your last CCC back up with he new files and directories, or is it best to run it all over again before installing Tiger?
Thanks!
-Scott
Originally posted by scott_r
I have a quick question:
I have run CCC on external drive yesterday. But have done more work on my system plus mail down loads etc. I noticed a sync option in CCC. Does that sync your last CCC back up with he new files and directories, or is it best to run it all over again before installing Tiger?
Thanks!
-Scott
Don't know, Scott. I have not used that option. Personally I would run the whole thing again if it were me.
Originally posted by DanMacMan
lundy, thanks this is exactly what I was looking for. I tested the copy to my 4G 20GB iPod by booting off it and everything worked fine. Look forward to using Tiger once it arrives here.
This is good information - to know that a CCC copy can fit on 20GB and work.
Keep up informed of how the Migration works.
Eric
Well I've run into a snag with my install.
I was very cautious when installing. So got a another HD (firewire) to install. So did a CCC to one partition. That worked very nicely. Then installed Tiger on the second partition. As the install when along all was OK. The rebooted all ok, then started the migration. All went well until it seemed to finish copying my files from my CCC partition (as I ran the CCC system to make sure it was working and all was copied.)
When the progress bar showed it was finished copying my user files over, the time jumped to 1,192,046 hours and 28 minutes and it still said that it was copying my user account file. I let this go for another hour and the HD made that typical sound of a stuck HD. So I hit Command-Q and then got a dialog that asked if I wanted to finish setting up my user account to click "continue." When I click continue, just got stuck again. So finally shut it down. Restarted and then just let it setup a new account. Well couldn't use my name as it was already in the system. So made a new user account. Tried the migration again but the drive showed up as being full! I know there was no way that it could be! And it was not!
Now I'm in my new Tiger OS. In System Preferences, I can see my migrated account, but can't access it as it's grayed out. So not sure what to do. Well typing this under Tiger. Safari seems to be much faster, but can't get to my e-mail to see the apple video. Well can reboot back to the old systems and get it.
Just curious if anyone else has had a similar problem?
Also, how can I run the migration app again?
Thanks!
-Scott - Who has the Tiger, but the Tiger has Scott by the tail at the moment!
Originally posted by scott_r
Hi All,
Well I've run into a snag with my install.
I was very cautious when installing. So got a another HD (firewire) to install. So did a CCC to one partition. That worked very nicely. Then installed Tiger on the second partition. As the install when along all was OK. The rebooted all ok, then started the migration. All went well until it seemed to finish copying my files from my CCC partition (as I ran the CCC system to make sure it was working and all was copied.)
When the progress bar showed it was finished copying my user files over, the time jumped to 1,192,046 hours and 28 minutes and it still said that it was copying my user account file. I let this go for another hour and the HD made that typical sound of a stuck HD. So I hit Command-Q and then got a dialog that asked if I wanted to finish setting up my user account to click "continue." When I click continue, just got stuck again. So finally shut it down. Restarted and then just let it setup a new account. Well couldn't use my name as it was already in the system. So made a new user account. Tried the migration again but the drive showed up as being full! I know there was no way that it could be! And it was not!
Now I'm in my new Tiger OS. In System Preferences, I can see my migrated account, but can't access it as it's grayed out. So not sure what to do. Well typing this under Tiger. Safari seems to be much faster, but can't get to my e-mail to see the apple video. Well can reboot back to the old systems and get it.
Just curious if anyone else has had a similar problem?
Also, how can I run the migration app again?
Thanks!
-Scott - Who has the Tiger, but the Tiger has Scott by the tail at the moment!
Could you try a clean install as you've got a partition with a backup? I've found Tiger a hell of a lot faster - although it does seem sluggish with dashboard and spotlight.