.Mac has been a wasteland since this spring. Features have been dropping like flies, no new homepage templates, even the icards have dropped in number. It is as if the .Mac staff to a six month vacation and no one at apple noticed.
Besides the backup program and the widgets Apple needs to address the major shortcomings of the service.
1. At least 1 gig of space to split between mail and idisk any way you like.
2. More homepage templates. Come on Apple this one is so simple and easy it should have been done ages ago.
3. More freebies with the loss of virex the pickings are slim at .Mac.
4. More iCards. Stupid I know but still an easy and cheap way to add worth again escapes Apple.
With the .Mac problems and Apple failing to file key and major patents in a timely fashion you have to wonder what zeros they have pulling down big salaries for .....what? In the patent filing arena it looks like apple is run by a bunch of mentally impaired people.
I am not an apoligist, but here's a fact: I have upgraded half a dozen computers to Tiger, and none of them have exhibited any problems, even with the initial 10.4 release.
Perhaps you haven't tried using those 10.4 systems in an environment served from a Mac OS X Server system via AFS. It's a disaster, simply a disaster, and my clients are less than pleased to have upgraded from Mac OS 9. Check out the Apple discussion forums under Server to see for yourself.
10.4 has some cool stuff, but what was released was beta software, again. We should expect and demand better from Apple.
Perhaps you haven't tried using those 10.4 systems in an environment served from a Mac OS X Server system via AFS. It's a disaster, simply a disaster, and my clients are less than pleased to have upgraded from Mac OS 9. Check out the Apple discussion forums under Server to see for yourself.
10.4 has some cool stuff, but what was released was beta software, again. We should expect and demand better from Apple.
What is the problem you are having with 10.4 and Mac OS X Server via AFP? I have this setup in a lot of companys i support and I have not have any more problems with 10.4 than 10.3 via AFP. Is the server 10.4? Is it premission related?
I think the 'Try a Mac Mini' campaign is a step in the right direction.
Low key though. With the Switch to Intel. That might explain it.
But maybe because it's a trial. Historically, wasn't there a 'Try a Mac' campaign years ago? It didn't quite work for some strange reason?
I'd argue that Apple should offer a iPod discount 'Apple Starter Kit' with the mac mini. They should work on getting the Mac Mini, iBook and iMac at all the iPod distribution points. 'Like your iPOD? You'll LOVE a Mac.' They need to use the iPod as leverage. They're not being proactive enough.
I'd like to see Apple pushing up the ant' with Mac Mini. Available in more distribution points in the UK. I still don't see them in PC worlds, Dixons etc. And the price on the entry model could still do with being £299 instead of £349. Especially for a 1.25 mhz G4 which is really ancient. And a better graphics card, too. Like the one in the eMac. I'd still like a mac mini 'Special Edition'. (Remember those?) G5 1.6. Radeon 128 meg card. About £599.
I hope the move to Intel drives down CPU speeds to the lower models faster. The G4 thing is getting ridiculous.
I kind of got the impression that Tiger was buggy from other posters. 400 bugs? That's alot. Many might be minor irritants along side major ones. Still, I prefer Apple getting it 'out there' to those that want it and those that want to wait...can. So, Apple squeezes us for a little beta testing... Sometimes you just have to get the product 'out there' and then work on improving it. That's what Apple did with the original Public Beta of X. If you waited until something was perfect you'd never release it. It doesn't stop M$ from releasing stuff, does it?
FYI and as WebFlits has mentioned: The Safari team is working on plugging all the memory leaks from WebKit...
Once that is done, Widgets memory usage will shoot down and stay down. Safari's memory usage will do the same. All apps that make use of WebKit will also be much lower.
It allows you to use the latest WebKit build without modifying your system. [/B]
Is this why Safari and Mail takes about 30secs to open on 10.3.9? It doesn't matter the speed of the machine. It's really annoying. I hope they can fix this with an updated Safari release.
Memory and CPU usage by Kernel_task is insane (200 megabyes??)
Right now 100 MB under 10.3.9, 10% to 20% CPU usage not uncommon. Nothing new in Tiger.
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CPU usage by Kernel_task is insane when using internal modem.
Yap, the beloved soft modem, which saves Apple a few bucks per computer (and also some weight and space), but has host of problems like being very sensitive to bad telephone lines. They were introduced with the iMac G4, but this is the first time I hear about its high CPU usage, could be Tiger specific.
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memory usage by safari is insane.
As it is for most browsers, i.e. 100 to 200 MB easily.
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I know I have 1.5gb of RAM, but I have 25 mb free when I have my normal apps open. Simply ridiculous.
You can never have to much RAM if you want run several apps at the same time. Right now I guess 3 to 4 GB might be enough for me (but no Apple laptop can offer this right now).
What is the problem you are having with 10.4 and Mac OS X Server via AFP? I have this setup in a lot of companys i support and I have not have any more problems with 10.4 than 10.3 via AFP. Is the server 10.4? Is it premission related?
It's hard to believe you haven't experienced the AFS permission issues - POSIX permissions are badly broken for 10.4 server and clients (even if the server is still 10.3). AFS automounted home directories are randomly flakey too. As I posted, check the Apple support discussions Mac OS X Server AFS boards for more details.
Though you can't use Gmail with Mail.app. (Or can you? Enlighten me s'il vous plait, if it can be done..)
Jimzip
I use mail.app to check all my gmail accounts. Google has instructions on how to setup both gmail and mail.app so you can use it to send and receive mail via mail.app.
Right now 100 MB under 10.3.9, 10% to 20% CPU usage not uncommon. Nothing new in Tiger.
Yap, the beloved soft modem, which saves Apple a few bucks per computer (and also some weight and space), but has host of problems like being very sensitive to bad telephone lines. They were introduced with the iMac G4, but this is the first time I hear about its high CPU usage, could be Tiger specific.
As it is for most browsers, i.e. 100 to 200 MB easily.
You can never have to much RAM if you want run several apps at the same time. Right now I guess 3 to 4 GB might be enough for me (but no Apple laptop can offer this right now).
The way OS X handles memory is quite different than the way OS 9 handles memory. Free memory under OS X is not really the same as in OS 9. As always more is better but I run tiger on an 800mhz G4 with 768mb of RAM and have no problems or stalls despite having large numbers of programs open. I can burn several CD's or DVD's at one time with two copies of toast open, be printing labels with discus, designing other labels in Photoshop CS2 and have mail and safari open with no slow downs or stalls. This would have killed OS 9 on the same machine.
One problem I did find with tiger was that Nortons Anti-virus would make my Mac stall even during simple tasks. I updated to version 10 and had the same problems. Removing Norton AV brought my Mac back to the speed I had under panther.
I know I have 1.5gb of RAM, but I have 25 mb free when I have my normal apps open. Simply ridiculous.
Then you're wasting that 25MB.
As rspress said, memory management is vastly different under OS X than OS9 or even XP. For instance, I have 512MB in my PowerBook, and I frequently have 4-5 *GB* of memory being used, with no slowdowns. The only time I have a problem is when one thread tries to grab more than about 450MB and 100% of the CPU. (That was my research tool until I redid it and cut the memory use by 80%.)
Unix-based systems like OS X work under the assumption that unused RAM is wasted RAM, and they try to keep it full whenever possible, so data and application code is ready to go when you want it. You have to ditch the old assumptions about RAM use. Basically, you're going to want physical RAM a bit bigger than your estimated largest single thread memory use. For some people who work with extremely large high-resolution graphics, or video, this may indeed be several GB, but that's going to be exceedingly rare.
Of course, apps such as Photoshop that have their own internal memory management schemes can cause problems, or exhibit far from optimal performance.
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Besides the backup program and the widgets Apple needs to address the major shortcomings of the service.
1. At least 1 gig of space to split between mail and idisk any way you like.
2. More homepage templates. Come on Apple this one is so simple and easy it should have been done ages ago.
3. More freebies with the loss of virex the pickings are slim at .Mac.
4. More iCards. Stupid I know but still an easy and cheap way to add worth again escapes Apple.
With the .Mac problems and Apple failing to file key and major patents in a timely fashion you have to wonder what zeros they have pulling down big salaries for .....what? In the patent filing arena it looks like apple is run by a bunch of mentally impaired people.
Originally posted by Robin Hood
I am not an apoligist, but here's a fact: I have upgraded half a dozen computers to Tiger, and none of them have exhibited any problems, even with the initial 10.4 release.
Perhaps you haven't tried using those 10.4 systems in an environment served from a Mac OS X Server system via AFS. It's a disaster, simply a disaster, and my clients are less than pleased to have upgraded from Mac OS 9. Check out the Apple discussion forums under Server to see for yourself.
10.4 has some cool stuff, but what was released was beta software, again. We should expect and demand better from Apple.
Cheers,
-Nathan
Perhaps you haven't tried using those 10.4 systems in an environment served from a Mac OS X Server system via AFS. It's a disaster, simply a disaster, and my clients are less than pleased to have upgraded from Mac OS 9. Check out the Apple discussion forums under Server to see for yourself.
10.4 has some cool stuff, but what was released was beta software, again. We should expect and demand better from Apple.
What is the problem you are having with 10.4 and Mac OS X Server via AFP? I have this setup in a lot of companys i support and I have not have any more problems with 10.4 than 10.3 via AFP. Is the server 10.4? Is it premission related?
Examples of Tiger bugs off the top of my head:
1. Delete a folder with it's window open and finder no longer closes the window.
Deleting a folder by moving it to the trash does not delete the folder, however the window will be closed when you empty the trash.
But I have to agree, from a user standpoint this could be confusing.
2. Opening the trash now takes 5 - 40 seconds. Even on a 2.5 Ghz machine.
I 've never seen this on my machine (dual 2.0 GHz), opening de trash is always instantaneous.
3. Safari memory
The WebKit team is working on that right now
http://webkit.opendarwin.org/blog/
The latest builds are a big improvement, a lot of JavaScript related memory leaks have been plugged
BTW Have a look at NightShift.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/27294
It allows you to use the latest WebKit build without modifying your system.
Low key though. With the Switch to Intel. That might explain it.
But maybe because it's a trial. Historically, wasn't there a 'Try a Mac' campaign years ago? It didn't quite work for some strange reason?
I'd argue that Apple should offer a iPod discount 'Apple Starter Kit' with the mac mini. They should work on getting the Mac Mini, iBook and iMac at all the iPod distribution points. 'Like your iPOD? You'll LOVE a Mac.' They need to use the iPod as leverage. They're not being proactive enough.
I'd like to see Apple pushing up the ant' with Mac Mini. Available in more distribution points in the UK. I still don't see them in PC worlds, Dixons etc. And the price on the entry model could still do with being £299 instead of £349. Especially for a 1.25 mhz G4 which is really ancient. And a better graphics card, too. Like the one in the eMac. I'd still like a mac mini 'Special Edition'. (Remember those?) G5 1.6. Radeon 128 meg card. About £599.
I hope the move to Intel drives down CPU speeds to the lower models faster. The G4 thing is getting ridiculous.
I kind of got the impression that Tiger was buggy from other posters. 400 bugs? That's alot. Many might be minor irritants along side major ones. Still, I prefer Apple getting it 'out there' to those that want it and those that want to wait...can. So, Apple squeezes us for a little beta testing... Sometimes you just have to get the product 'out there' and then work on improving it. That's what Apple did with the original Public Beta of X. If you waited until something was perfect you'd never release it. It doesn't stop M$ from releasing stuff, does it?
Hell, why not release 'Vista' now, M$?
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by BWhaler
Not trying to flame you, but if you think Tiger is not buggy as all hell, you really aren't paying attention.
Or we don't do the same things on our machines? I've only run into a very few bugs since 10.4 (on two machines).
Also remember that even one bug can seem big and annoying if you run into it every day.
Originally posted by g3pro
Gmail offers 2.5+ gigabytes at the moment. And it's free. And better than .Mac mail.
Yeah.. See that's what I mean.
Though you can't use Gmail with Mail.app. (Or can you? Enlighten me s'il vous plait, if it can be done..)
Jimzip
Once that is done, Widgets memory usage will shoot down and stay down. Safari's memory usage will do the same. All apps that make use of WebKit will also be much lower.
Originally posted by Jimzip
Yeah.. See that's what I mean.
Though you can't use Gmail with Mail.app. (Or can you? Enlighten me s'il vous plait, if it can be done..)
Jimzip
Just enable POP support in Gmail and apply the right settings in Mail.app, and you have Gmail for mac.app.
Originally posted by WebFlits
The WebKit team is working on that right now
http://webkit.opendarwin.org/blog/
The latest builds are a big improvement, a lot of JavaScript related memory leaks have been plugged
BTW Have a look at NightShift.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/27294
It allows you to use the latest WebKit build without modifying your system. [/B]
Is this why Safari and Mail takes about 30secs to open on 10.3.9? It doesn't matter the speed of the machine. It's really annoying. I hope they can fix this with an updated Safari release.
Originally posted by Robin Hood
It's BS that it shoudl require a G5 processor.
It really requires an Intel, but a G5 will do.
JIMZIP::
For gmail with mail.app click here. and you can also get conversation view with a macosxhints prefernces switcheroo if you're using Tiger.
--B
Originally posted by g3pro
Just enable POP support in Gmail and apply the right settings in Mail.app, and you have Gmail for mac.app.
That's really cool...
Jimzip
Originally posted by wymer100
Is this why Safari and Mail takes about 30secs to open on 10.3.9?
No! Something else must be wrong with your setup.
Originally posted by melgross
People were really pissed at me for complaining about Tiger's coming out so early.
The "shit has hit the fan" as it's said.
yeah me too
Originally posted by g3pro
Memory and CPU usage by Kernel_task is insane (200 megabyes??)
Right now 100 MB under 10.3.9, 10% to 20% CPU usage not uncommon. Nothing new in Tiger.
Quote:
CPU usage by Kernel_task is insane when using internal modem.
Yap, the beloved soft modem, which saves Apple a few bucks per computer (and also some weight and space), but has host of problems like being very sensitive to bad telephone lines. They were introduced with the iMac G4, but this is the first time I hear about its high CPU usage, could be Tiger specific.
Quote:
memory usage by safari is insane.
As it is for most browsers, i.e. 100 to 200 MB easily.
Quote:
I know I have 1.5gb of RAM, but I have 25 mb free when I have my normal apps open. Simply ridiculous.
You can never have to much RAM if you want run several apps at the same time. Right now I guess 3 to 4 GB might be enough for me (but no Apple laptop can offer this right now).
Originally posted by wooster
What is the problem you are having with 10.4 and Mac OS X Server via AFP? I have this setup in a lot of companys i support and I have not have any more problems with 10.4 than 10.3 via AFP. Is the server 10.4? Is it premission related?
It's hard to believe you haven't experienced the AFS permission issues - POSIX permissions are badly broken for 10.4 server and clients (even if the server is still 10.3). AFS automounted home directories are randomly flakey too. As I posted, check the Apple support discussions Mac OS X Server AFS boards for more details.
Cheers,
-Nathan
Originally posted by Jimzip
Yeah.. See that's what I mean.
Though you can't use Gmail with Mail.app. (Or can you? Enlighten me s'il vous plait, if it can be done..)
Jimzip
I use mail.app to check all my gmail accounts. Google has instructions on how to setup both gmail and mail.app so you can use it to send and receive mail via mail.app.
The even have step by step instructions:
http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/...y?answer=13275
Originally posted by noirdesir
Right now 100 MB under 10.3.9, 10% to 20% CPU usage not uncommon. Nothing new in Tiger.
Yap, the beloved soft modem, which saves Apple a few bucks per computer (and also some weight and space), but has host of problems like being very sensitive to bad telephone lines. They were introduced with the iMac G4, but this is the first time I hear about its high CPU usage, could be Tiger specific.
As it is for most browsers, i.e. 100 to 200 MB easily.
You can never have to much RAM if you want run several apps at the same time. Right now I guess 3 to 4 GB might be enough for me (but no Apple laptop can offer this right now).
The way OS X handles memory is quite different than the way OS 9 handles memory. Free memory under OS X is not really the same as in OS 9. As always more is better but I run tiger on an 800mhz G4 with 768mb of RAM and have no problems or stalls despite having large numbers of programs open. I can burn several CD's or DVD's at one time with two copies of toast open, be printing labels with discus, designing other labels in Photoshop CS2 and have mail and safari open with no slow downs or stalls. This would have killed OS 9 on the same machine.
One problem I did find with tiger was that Nortons Anti-virus would make my Mac stall even during simple tasks. I updated to version 10 and had the same problems. Removing Norton AV brought my Mac back to the speed I had under panther.
Originally posted by g3pro
I know I have 1.5gb of RAM, but I have 25 mb free when I have my normal apps open. Simply ridiculous.
Then you're wasting that 25MB.
As rspress said, memory management is vastly different under OS X than OS9 or even XP. For instance, I have 512MB in my PowerBook, and I frequently have 4-5 *GB* of memory being used, with no slowdowns. The only time I have a problem is when one thread tries to grab more than about 450MB and 100% of the CPU. (That was my research tool until I redid it and cut the memory use by 80%.)
Unix-based systems like OS X work under the assumption that unused RAM is wasted RAM, and they try to keep it full whenever possible, so data and application code is ready to go when you want it. You have to ditch the old assumptions about RAM use. Basically, you're going to want physical RAM a bit bigger than your estimated largest single thread memory use. For some people who work with extremely large high-resolution graphics, or video, this may indeed be several GB, but that's going to be exceedingly rare.
Of course, apps such as Photoshop that have their own internal memory management schemes can cause problems, or exhibit far from optimal performance.