I highly doubt its very risky. Do you honestly believe Adobe would abandon Mac in favor of windows in light of this?
I never said they would. Where do you get that from my post?
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Or any other developers for that matter?
Possibly. Microsoft? Adobe? Both already have their applications running on Windows. This (slightly open door) might put in motion steps that have them deciding to drop the "native" Mac OS X versions.
This is a sensational move. I was just about to buy some crappy PC out of necessity; now I can justify a MacIntel. This has to give Apple's market share a serious kick.
I guess apple has something really interesting up the sleeve, otherwise they wouldn't be able take a step like this. Think about it - they will now have to keep OS X much more competitive to XP than ever before.
Personally, I was hoping for emulation support to run Windows apps natively in OSX. I don't want Windows XP/Wishta on my Mac; I just want native Windows apps to work in OSX.
I highly doubt its very risky. Do you honestly believe Adobe would abandon Mac in favor of windows in light of this? Or any other developers for that matter?
The risk isn't really in developers leaving the Mac market but in attracting new ones from the Windows world.
If they can get the market share up because of this AND those extra users are actually using MacOSX instead of Windows on their Macs then the gamble pays off. There's a good chance of developers following the users then.
If everyone starts booting up their Macs into Windows to run Windows programs that don't exist on the Mac then developers of alternative applications on the Mac might find times a bit leaner.
And I think Mac games companies are completely hosed now.
Can anyone tell me if Windows recognises the Apple modem?
Damm, last week I bought a ThinkPad to run the Ray-marine software for my yacht. If Apple had pre-announced this it would have got another MBP sale, who's the biggest looser with this secrecy thing?
I wonder if Microsoft is going to keep developing Virtual PC for Intel Macs.
Virtualization and dual booting are two distinct duties. Virtualation is a Ferrari whereby Dual Booting is an Edsel.
I'm not worried about the OS/2 effect because Apple is not guaranteeing Windows support out the box. This is purely your own endeavour and you must provide your own windows software.
I highly doubt its very risky. Do you honestly believe Adobe would abandon Mac in favor of windows in light of this? Or any other developers for that matter?
Maybe not today, but what about in 2-3 years, when all Macs are Intel-based? The developers might realize serious cost savings developing to one set of APIs. I personally think Apple's APIs are much nicer to work with, but I've just started with VC++ programming so I've only experienced a little bit of pain so far.
It'll ultimately scare Microsoft because it is the start of the end for them.
Switchers now have no reason not to buy a Mac since they can run both OSs easily. They start off using part OSX and part Windows but over time their reliance on Windows diminishes to the point they no longer need Windows.
Not at all, it is a real life revenge of the nerds, we wanted to dual boot, Apple made that unreasonably difficult, so in stead of lying down, the community went to work...
Given that Apple orginally indicated that this might be possible in their speech, I suspecting that this was a planned feature. At the same time while important, it was probably not given a priority, since there were probably enough issues to work out as it was.
Damm, last week I bought a ThinkPad to run the Ray-marine software for my yacht. If Apple had pre-announced this it would have got another MBP sale, who's the biggest looser with this secrecy thing?
Yea but I purchased a ThinkPad to run software for my TWO yachts a week prior to your purchase so they really should pre-announced it TWO weeks ago... Oh yea an my brother purchased a ThinkPad to run software for his THREE yachts with the optional helicopter landing pads just two weeks prior to my purchase... So lets see.. exactly how far back should we have Apple pre-announce things?
Truth is... no matter what you say some schmuck somewhere in the world was going to buy a ThinkPad for his or her yacht just a week prior to the announcement and/or pre-announcement.
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I highly doubt its very risky. Do you honestly believe Adobe would abandon Mac in favor of windows in light of this?
I never said they would. Where do you get that from my post?
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Or any other developers for that matter?
Possibly. Microsoft? Adobe? Both already have their applications running on Windows. This (slightly open door) might put in motion steps that have them deciding to drop the "native" Mac OS X versions.
Think a few steps ahead in the chess game.
Originally posted by whoami
i agree....smart gamble.
i'm sure leopard will have more than we're expecting and this will seem like no big deal!
This is enough, I believe to scare the hell out of MS.
I wonder if apple will, in leopard run .exe files natively without a full version of windows.
Virtualisation is what I'm waiting for. Once I can run 3DS Max from within OSX, I'll be joining you guys in Apple land.
Originally posted by TednDi
This is enough, I believe to scare the hell out of MS.
I don't see how.
Originally posted by TednDi
I wonder if apple will, in leopard run .exe files natively without a full version of windows.
Well...maybe that.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
$129? Surely that's the upgrade price?
A plain copy here in the UK is about £250 retail.
The key word there is "retail". An OEM copy of XP Home is £75 ish.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I highly doubt its very risky. Do you honestly believe Adobe would abandon Mac in favor of windows in light of this? Or any other developers for that matter?
The risk isn't really in developers leaving the Mac market but in attracting new ones from the Windows world.
If they can get the market share up because of this AND those extra users are actually using MacOSX instead of Windows on their Macs then the gamble pays off. There's a good chance of developers following the users then.
If everyone starts booting up their Macs into Windows to run Windows programs that don't exist on the Mac then developers of alternative applications on the Mac might find times a bit leaner.
And I think Mac games companies are completely hosed now.
Damm, last week I bought a ThinkPad to run the Ray-marine software for my yacht. If Apple had pre-announced this it would have got another MBP sale, who's the biggest looser with this secrecy thing?
Originally posted by s_sarinana
I wonder if Microsoft is going to keep developing Virtual PC for Intel Macs.
Virtualization and dual booting are two distinct duties. Virtualation is a Ferrari whereby Dual Booting is an Edsel.
I'm not worried about the OS/2 effect because Apple is not guaranteeing Windows support out the box. This is purely your own endeavour and you must provide your own windows software.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I highly doubt its very risky. Do you honestly believe Adobe would abandon Mac in favor of windows in light of this? Or any other developers for that matter?
Maybe not today, but what about in 2-3 years, when all Macs are Intel-based? The developers might realize serious cost savings developing to one set of APIs. I personally think Apple's APIs are much nicer to work with, but I've just started with VC++ programming so I've only experienced a little bit of pain so far.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
I don't see how.
It'll ultimately scare Microsoft because it is the start of the end for them.
Switchers now have no reason not to buy a Mac since they can run both OSs easily. They start off using part OSX and part Windows but over time their reliance on Windows diminishes to the point they no longer need Windows.
a_greer orginally wrote
Not at all, it is a real life revenge of the nerds, we wanted to dual boot, Apple made that unreasonably difficult, so in stead of lying down, the community went to work...
Given that Apple orginally indicated that this might be possible in their speech, I suspecting that this was a planned feature. At the same time while important, it was probably not given a priority, since there were probably enough issues to work out as it was.
Originally posted by Addison
Damm, last week I bought a ThinkPad to run the Ray-marine software for my yacht. If Apple had pre-announced this it would have got another MBP sale, who's the biggest looser with this secrecy thing?
Yea but I purchased a ThinkPad to run software for my TWO yachts a week prior to your purchase so they really should pre-announced it TWO weeks ago... Oh yea an my brother purchased a ThinkPad to run software for his THREE yachts with the optional helicopter landing pads just two weeks prior to my purchase... So lets see.. exactly how far back should we have Apple pre-announce things?
Truth is... no matter what you say some schmuck somewhere in the world was going to buy a ThinkPad for his or her yacht just a week prior to the announcement and/or pre-announcement.
Dave
Develop on xcode and click the box and a .exe file spits out as well as the universal binary.
Developers Developers Developers Developers!!!
Everyone goes to xcode. OS X gains market share and we all retire.
Leopard changes spots.....
Originally posted by aegisdesign
It'll ultimately scare Microsoft because it is the start of the end for them.
Possibly. But getting ahead of ourselves here.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
Switchers now have no reason not to buy a Mac since they can run both OSs easily.
And MS makes $ for every Windows license.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
They start off using part OSX and part Windows but over time their reliance on Windows diminishes to the point they no longer need Windows.
Well, that is the theory and the hope.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Virtualization and dual booting are two distinct duties. Virtualation is a Ferrari whereby Dual Booting is an Edsel.
I agree. Boot Camp may work for some but I need virtualization app to really do what i want, ie switch between os with out re-boot.