I've two long-standing quirks. One is a website that keeps sending me email (improvements@e.improvementscatalog.com) that Mail refuses to believe is Junk, even though I re-mark it EVERY time. The second issue is that the Calculator seems to keep forgetting that I've selected the View/Show Paper Tape option, so I always have to reselect it each time I restart the Calculator. I've tried several options to try to get it to remember its last configuration, but nothing consistently works ALL the time. Both minor issues, but annoying for a long-time Macintosh user.
I'd appreciate Apple placing a box in Preferences for Safari that would allow people to kill the spawn-new-window feature of websites and hyperlinks if Safari is already launched. I just can't see the logic of spawning a new window when we have tabbed browsing. Why not just force the link to open a new tab rather than spawn a new window. I'd love to see this feature provided.
a Mute Browser's sounds button in Safari would be just amazing. actually it sounds amazing that no browser has this functionality yet! i just hate sounds on websites i surf at work or when i am listening to music already.
Maybe the new update will fix the name for us. But Mail.app is the only one we can all agree on. In time you will come to realize this fact as the rest of us have. Please don't screw it up for the rest of us with your ignorance.
Think before you speak.
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Everyone knows that once you cross the number 10 in version numbers...
Why are you being so snotty and mean? There are forums that welcome such behavior, but usually we're more respectful of one another around here.
why do people append .app to Mail? No one says Safari.app
It's historical.
Mail.app is one of the applications carried over from NeXT almost unchanged until they destroyed it in 10.4. In NeXTStep applications showed the extension.
What I can't get with the updates is that Calculator seems to change with every update. Do they break it each time and let some intern cut their teeth on software releases as an exercise? Or is teh Steve still fiddling with the calculator construction set ?
I have some ongoing bug issues with Mail and I hope they get resolved.
1) Certain e-mails get sent to Junk and there is nothing I can do about it. The addresses are in my Address Book and there is no 'junk icon' on the the e-mails that lets me tell the program that it is 'not junk.'
2) Preferences for when to delete e-mail from the server never stick. IF I quit the program then it reverts to never delete.
Anybody else have these issues or am I 'special' ?
Never had either of those. If it's junk then I get an extra brown toolbar appear in the mail itself with a button to click.
My Preferences stick too. Perhaps yours are corrupt in some way and Mail isn't saving to them. I've had that happen before with some applications. The XML plist won't get updated until I manually add in the correct keys.
Whether it's a decimal system or not, that's what people think of them as. Most people would look at 10.4.10 and say one of two things:
And most people would be wrong. I have a Nortel VPN client that is version 4.65. Yes, that's right 65. Spread the knowledge that software version numbers aren't base 10.
Or you could really throw some tight-asses a loop by going hex in an inconsistent manner. It would be 10.4.A, or go Roman numerals all the way: X.IV.X, not that decimals were ever used in Rome that I understand.
I hope they fix the problem in Mail.app when setting up a new account it often has trouble validating the account settings even though they are valid and will work if you just ignore the warning at the end of the long, long wait.
Funny how people can't fathom the idea that the versioning system isn't somekind of weird decimal system and that there is life beyond .9.
Rok... What's 10.4.6 + 10.3.7?
If you've answered 20.8.3...it's because you've invented some new kind of math.
10.4.6 isn't a decimal number.
well, no friggin' DUH... but i can count on HALF OF ONE HAND where developers have extended the versioning numbers into anything else. it's a convention, because, well, 99% of everyone seems to follow it. no, there were no stone tablets cast on a mountaintop. it's just what's been done, and it strikes some people (myself included) as wicked dumb if you haven't been able to plan out your revision cycle to handle everything in TEN TRIES for any particular revision before you have a major NEW revision planned. and the "Industry?" seems to agree, since it generally doesn't spit out things like ActionSoft TableMaster Pro LE SE 7.86.43.a to the masses. and when it does, they generally don't market really well. at a certain point, you're kinda saying "well, yeah, we've had to keep patching this thing quite a bit." but that's as much a problem with marketing departments making stupid promises, and no one really holding fast to a true convention and standards for this sort of thing.
He's called Prince again now, a sure sign of a warp in spacetime.
I for one fully back the 10.4.10 numbering system, not because I think Apple will reach it, surely Leopard's due in January or earlier with luck - but because I want OS X to carry on past 10.9 "Alley Cat"
ah, and remember that "officially," it's Mac OS X 10.4 (or whatever). imagine what happens if we get to Mac OS X 10.10.10. at that point, i think all systems that auto-update to that revision will revert back to 9" monochrome displays and multifinder, and steve will laugh himself to death.
Whether it's a decimal system or not, that's what people think of them as. Most people would look at 10.4.10 and say one of two things:
1) "Shouldn't it be 10.5 then?"
or
2) "Why does 10.4.1 have an added zero on the end?"
Like it or not, right or wrong, that's what most people think.
So we should continue with the belief that the earth is flat, stars are pinpoints in the fabric of the sky, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old all because, at some point, the majority of people thought so?
It's called education. It's a good thing. Wrong is wrong.
It's not convention, it's just silly fear over nothing.
I love all this talk about version numbers. I too used to think that the numbers counted up until 9 then reset to 0 and added 1 to the parent number like a decimal. I've seen shareware do crazy stuff like
iApp 0.1.0.2.349920b
But the one I like the best is one that I've seen a couple of the programs i follow adapt. I'm in an Apple Store right now, and a piece of software they sell in here does it too.
*walks to the software shelf, grabs Diskwarrior*
Yeah, this is a simple yet expansive way to display a products' version.
v.3.0.3 rev. 39
v = Version
3 = primary release number
0 = sub-release patches
3 = hot fixes/sub-patches
rev = Revision
39 = how many times this sub-patch has been modified to make it more stable, less buggy.
I think that's the best looking way to orginize it IMHO. Plus you don't confuse people too much.
So we should continue with the belief that the earth is flat, stars are pinpoints in the fabric of the sky, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old all because, at some point, the majority of people thought so?
It's only recently that the belief that the Earth was flat took hold. Sometime in the 1800s. Before that everyone thought it was spherical back to the Greeks calculating the circumference even.
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Originally posted by rebel_without_a_pc
OK here goes, you asked for it:
Maybe the new update will fix the name for us. But Mail.app is the only one we can all agree on. In time you will come to realize this fact as the rest of us have. Please don't screw it up for the rest of us with your ignorance.
Everyone knows that once you cross the number 10 in version numbers...
Why are you being so snotty and mean? There are forums that welcome such behavior, but usually we're more respectful of one another around here.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
why do people append .app to Mail? No one says Safari.app
It's historical.
Mail.app is one of the applications carried over from NeXT almost unchanged until they destroyed it in 10.4. In NeXTStep applications showed the extension.
What I can't get with the updates is that Calculator seems to change with every update. Do they break it each time and let some intern cut their teeth on software releases as an exercise? Or is teh Steve still fiddling with the calculator construction set ?
Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
I have some ongoing bug issues with Mail and I hope they get resolved.
1) Certain e-mails get sent to Junk and there is nothing I can do about it. The addresses are in my Address Book and there is no 'junk icon' on the the e-mails that lets me tell the program that it is 'not junk.'
2) Preferences for when to delete e-mail from the server never stick. IF I quit the program then it reverts to never delete.
Anybody else have these issues or am I 'special'
Never had either of those. If it's junk then I get an extra brown toolbar appear in the mail itself with a button to click.
My Preferences stick too. Perhaps yours are corrupt in some way and Mail isn't saving to them. I've had that happen before with some applications. The XML plist won't get updated until I manually add in the correct keys.
1) "Shouldn't it be 10.5 then?"
or
2) "Why does 10.4.1 have an added zero on the end?"
Like it or not, right or wrong, that's what most people think.
Whether it's a decimal system or not, that's what people think of them as. Most people would look at 10.4.10 and say one of two things:
And most people would be wrong. I have a Nortel VPN client that is version 4.65. Yes, that's right 65. Spread the knowledge that software version numbers aren't base 10.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
What's wrong with 10.4.10? 10.4.11? 10.4.12?
Or you could really throw some tight-asses a loop by going hex in an inconsistent manner. It would be 10.4.A, or go Roman numerals all the way: X.IV.X, not that decimals were ever used in Rome that I understand.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
why do people append .app to Mail? No one says Safari.app
And why do people prepend "the" to Finder? No one says "the Safari"?
For me Mail is Mail and Finder is Finder and if other people want to (app|pre)end those names that's their choice.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Funny how people can't fathom the idea that the versioning system isn't somekind of weird decimal system and that there is life beyond .9.
Rok... What's 10.4.6 + 10.3.7?
If you've answered 20.8.3...it's because you've invented some new kind of math.
10.4.6 isn't a decimal number.
well, no friggin' DUH... but i can count on HALF OF ONE HAND where developers have extended the versioning numbers into anything else. it's a convention, because, well, 99% of everyone seems to follow it. no, there were no stone tablets cast on a mountaintop. it's just what's been done, and it strikes some people (myself included) as wicked dumb if you haven't been able to plan out your revision cycle to handle everything in TEN TRIES for any particular revision before you have a major NEW revision planned. and the "Industry?" seems to agree, since it generally doesn't spit out things like ActionSoft TableMaster Pro LE SE 7.86.43.a to the masses. and when it does, they generally don't market really well. at a certain point, you're kinda saying "well, yeah, we've had to keep patching this thing quite a bit." but that's as much a problem with marketing departments making stupid promises, and no one really holding fast to a true convention and standards for this sort of thing.
Originally posted by fuyutsuki
He's called Prince again now, a sure sign of a warp in spacetime.
I for one fully back the 10.4.10 numbering system, not because I think Apple will reach it, surely Leopard's due in January or earlier with luck - but because I want OS X to carry on past 10.9 "Alley Cat"
ah, and remember that "officially," it's Mac OS X 10.4 (or whatever). imagine what happens if we get to Mac OS X 10.10.10. at that point, i think all systems that auto-update to that revision will revert back to 9" monochrome displays and multifinder, and steve will laugh himself to death.
Originally posted by CosmoNut
Whether it's a decimal system or not, that's what people think of them as. Most people would look at 10.4.10 and say one of two things:
1) "Shouldn't it be 10.5 then?"
or
2) "Why does 10.4.1 have an added zero on the end?"
Like it or not, right or wrong, that's what most people think.
So we should continue with the belief that the earth is flat, stars are pinpoints in the fabric of the sky, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old all because, at some point, the majority of people thought so?
It's called education. It's a good thing. Wrong is wrong.
It's not convention, it's just silly fear over nothing.
iApp 0.1.0.2.349920b
But the one I like the best is one that I've seen a couple of the programs i follow adapt. I'm in an Apple Store right now, and a piece of software they sell in here does it too.
*walks to the software shelf, grabs Diskwarrior*
Yeah, this is a simple yet expansive way to display a products' version.
v.3.0.3 rev. 39
v = Version
3 = primary release number
0 = sub-release patches
3 = hot fixes/sub-patches
rev = Revision
39 = how many times this sub-patch has been modified to make it more stable, less buggy.
I think that's the best looking way to orginize it IMHO. Plus you don't confuse people too much.
Originally posted by sjk
And why do people prepend "the" to Finder? No one says "the Safari"?
For me Mail is Mail and Finder is Finder and if other people want to (app|pre)end those names that's their choice.
remember OS9? (or was is OS8 or system 7?) apple menu -> "about the finder"
Mail is Mail, Safari is Safari but the Finder is the Macintosh Finder
"Unable to create path ~/Library/Mail/Mailboxes/Mail_box_name"
This has all happened since a big crash when I lost all my bookmarks, mail, music from itTunes, etc.
Originally posted by hledgard
I am stuck with no user created mailboxes, just inbox, drafts, junk, and trash. When I attempt to create a new mailbox, I get the message
"Unable to create path ~/Library/Mail/Mailboxes/Mail_box_name"
This has all happened since a big crash when I lost all my bookmarks, mail, music from itTunes, etc.
Ok, I hate to ask the obvious, but have you done a Repair Permissions. This smells so badly of a permissions issue.
Originally posted by Kickaha
So we should continue with the belief that the earth is flat, stars are pinpoints in the fabric of the sky, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old all because, at some point, the majority of people thought so?
It's only recently that the belief that the Earth was flat took hold. Sometime in the 1800s. Before that everyone thought it was spherical back to the Greeks calculating the circumference even.