Yeah that was really vague, sorry, freezing was the wrong word. What I should have said was, "AOL Instant Messaging decides to quit when it would like and occasionally while it's trying to quit I have to force quit it." Also, at first I didn't realize I had to "quit" programs, I'm very green to OS X, and I had gone through every program that was on my computer and opened it without quitting the previous one. Sorry for the lack of specifics. I feel very inadequate. Does, AIM count as crap ware? I don't like it very much for Mac.
I use ichat for instant messaging. It just works. I quit it with no problems.
While I haven't purchased my MacBook yet, I'm a little concerned. A guy over at Ars has posted a thread about his 1.83 GHz MacBook never operating over 1.67 GHz. It seems that the processor was always being throttled back to avoid overheating. When he took it back to the Apple store they told him that this was normal operation. Kind of silly if you ask me.
While I haven't purchased my MacBook yet, I'm a little concerned. A guy over at Ars has posted a thread about his 1.83 GHz MacBook never operating over 1.67 GHz. It seems that the processor was always being throttled back to avoid overheating. When he took it back to the Apple store they told him that this was normal operation. Kind of silly if you ask me.
Totally not surprising. The MacBook Pro already has a reputation for running really hot (like really really hot - I felt one up and it was unacceptably HOT).
Now there are reports of the MacBook also running hot.
Apple definitely has some improvements to make - firmware, design, heatpipe, thermal paste, etc.
The weird thing is the inconsistency. There are also many reports of the MacBook Pro being only as hot as the PowerBook G4 1.67 and the MacBook being only as warm as the ol' iBook G4s.
I can only talk about _my_ experience here. 1.83 GHz MacBook white with 2 GB of RAM, no silly plastic foil on the openings below the screen. CoreDuoTemp shows it's running at 1.83 GHz when under load and scales down nicely to 1.67, 1.5 and 1.33 GHz when idling about. Browsing right now and typing here, it's at 69 Celsius and running at 1.5 GHz, which certainly is rather _enough_ processor speed for typing. I wish it would go down to the promised 1.0 GHz sometimes, but it doesn't. Maybe a firmware upgrade will fix that some day or they'll hide that update in Leopard and sell it as a feature. Either way: It _only_ gets really hot under heavy load. And "really hot" here means nowhere near the burning features of a 15 or 17" AluBook or MacBook Pro!
Why are some of you (sorry Chucker this means you) still denying that the MacBook and MacBook Pro have some major heat issues? We know not all have heat problems but there are definitely some units out there that run very hot by general laptop standards and can indeed cause minor burns if you use it on your lap. Apple has publicly recognised this problem with some of its units. And I personally felt a MacBook Pro at IDLE that was very hot on the bottom and would cause burns if you had it on your lap* and started doing stuff that would bring up the CPU and GPU temperature.
*I'm willing to concede the burns on your thighs may be if you are wearing shorts or something, not sure (probably) if you have jeans for example you're safe from the very hot laptops.
Why are some of you (sorry Chucker this means you) still denying that the MacBook and MacBook Pro have some major heat issues?
I'm not. I'm saying it works great for me. It doesn't burn my lap, nor my palm. It doesn't emit noises that wake housemates up. It doesn't run risk of exploding.
My MBP experience has been terrific. Others must have been less fortunate.
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And I personally felt a MacBook Pro at IDLE that was very hot on the bottom
At idle, my MBP's CPU sometimes goes as low as 20 C.
Cool. I was a bit aggressive there in my post. Hmmm... I guess we'll never really know what percentage of MacBooks and MBPs have heat/whining/etc issues... Though this poll is a good try at it!
There could be more polls with a wider variety of questions, but only 33 people have responded and at least there was the option for "other" and an explanation. Also oif note is nobody has posted saying that they originally had a good machine that had since gone bad.
81.8% of the machines have no problems, but that means 19% (a rather large percentage) have problems. Obviously, Apple has some problems to iron out on these machines.
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Originally posted by maimezvous
Yeah that was really vague, sorry, freezing was the wrong word. What I should have said was, "AOL Instant Messaging decides to quit when it would like and occasionally while it's trying to quit I have to force quit it." Also, at first I didn't realize I had to "quit" programs, I'm very green to OS X, and I had gone through every program that was on my computer and opened it without quitting the previous one. Sorry for the lack of specifics. I feel very inadequate. Does, AIM count as crap ware? I don't like it very much for Mac.
I use ichat for instant messaging. It just works. I quit it with no problems.
ichat is not crapware IMHO.
Tom
Originally posted by Tommyr
I use ichat for instant messaging. It just works. I quit it with no problems.
ichat is not crapware IMHO.
Tom
Does iChat work with all IM systems, such as, MSN, Google Talk, Yahoo, and others? If it does, I woul much rather use that than some other program.
Originally posted by maimezvous
Does iChat work with all IM systems, such as, MSN, Google Talk, Yahoo, and others? If it does, I woul much rather use that than some other program.
It works with AIM and Jabber (including Google Talk).
Originally posted by builttospill
can you set up Trillian on a Mac?
No. If you want multiple protocols, you primarily have the choice between Adium, Fire, Proteus.
Originally posted by builttospill
On Adium, are you able to run gmail chat? and ICQ?
Yes, and yes.
While I haven't purchased my MacBook yet, I'm a little concerned. A guy over at Ars has posted a thread about his 1.83 GHz MacBook never operating over 1.67 GHz. It seems that the processor was always being throttled back to avoid overheating. When he took it back to the Apple store they told him that this was normal operation. Kind of silly if you ask me.
Totally not surprising. The MacBook Pro already has a reputation for running really hot (like really really hot - I felt one up and it was unacceptably HOT).
Now there are reports of the MacBook also running hot.
Apple definitely has some improvements to make - firmware, design, heatpipe, thermal paste, etc.
The weird thing is the inconsistency. There are also many reports of the MacBook Pro being only as hot as the PowerBook G4 1.67 and the MacBook being only as warm as the ol' iBook G4s.
Originally posted by builttospill
someone on here said their MB ran at 160F! HOT! i said he cooked bacon on his keyboard.
That's CPU temperature, and as such a far cry from keyboard / trackpad / surface temperature.
Originally posted by builttospill
well if the CPU is 160F, what do you think the bottom of the laptop is around?
Certainly quite warm, but probably not burn-inducing.
*I'm willing to concede the burns on your thighs may be if you are wearing shorts or something, not sure (probably) if you have jeans for example you're safe from the very hot laptops.
Originally posted by sunilraman
Why are some of you (sorry Chucker this means you) still denying that the MacBook and MacBook Pro have some major heat issues?
I'm not. I'm saying it works great for me. It doesn't burn my lap, nor my palm. It doesn't emit noises that wake housemates up. It doesn't run risk of exploding.
My MBP experience has been terrific. Others must have been less fortunate.
And I personally felt a MacBook Pro at IDLE that was very hot on the bottom
At idle, my MBP's CPU sometimes goes as low as 20 C.
81.8% of the machines have no problems, but that means 19% (a rather large percentage) have problems. Obviously, Apple has some problems to iron out on these machines.