As for the Core foundation, find any non-programmer who actually even knows what you're talking about or how it affects them. They're few and far between.
what you are talking about? not too many: how it affects them: most. I was in an Apple store yesterday and heard comments like "wow, it is so fast,pretty, smooth, slick, powerfull etc..." and "I wish windows had (Spotlight, dashboard, expose...) built in out of the box"
Fact is, all of these "core" technologies are what make OSX better than any other pre-built unix distro, that and the fact you can run MS Office and Adobe CS...
IT departments make all their money by talkin' thick users into installing windows; Vista is going to be a right little money spinner for them! Why do you think no IT peeps push OS X - They would be out of work; their services no longer needed!
What you speak of is a mafia setup, like GeekSquad, not the tech professional community: Any respectable tech pro will tell you that Windows stopped innovating with 2k, and that was basicly just NT4 with support for moddern (at the time) hardware technology, same for XP. The fact of the matter is Windows is living on its own inertia. think of it like a snowball on the top of a mountan, it rolls for the first say 1/3 of the way gaining size and strength because it is clinging to more snow on the way, getting better...then all of the sudden it gets to a point where there is no snow so it picks up mud, rocks, twigs and other debris, not becoming a more clorious snowball, but becoming a huge roll of crap under its own weight, nature takes care of this by melting the snowball, sadly this is where the annalogy stops: the only way to melt the windows snowball is to do away with lockin, which is why MS is going so ape-shit about open document formats because if you are locked to .doc, then you are locked to windows, or at least office for OSX...
Bottom line: windows aint going anywhere...unless MS slaughters its own golden-egg-laying-goose.
PS Why does everyone assume that tech pros like instability and insecurity? Most of us like to push the envelope with new ideas to make things work better, not waist 40 hour per week scanning for crapware and removing the purple monkey from the receptionests PC...
Any respectable tech pro will tell you that Windows stopped innovating with 2k, and that was basicly just NT4 with support for moddern (at the time) hardware technology, same for XP. The fact of the matter is Windows is living on its own inertia.
I've noticed this as well. It used to be pretty easy to find die-hard windows fanbois, but they're fewer and farther in between these days. Most of the CIS guys I know bitch and moan about Windows all the time, and either use macs themselves, or grudgingly admit OS X's superiority.
My, how times have changed. Remember when the mac Mac OS used to be derided because it was "too simple"?
Most of us like to push the envelope with new ideas to make things work better, not waist 40 hour per week scanning for crapware and removing the purple monkey from the receptionests PC...
LMAO wonderful analogy! And OMG not the purple ape!!! what was that called? Browser Buddy or some nonsense like that? That thing was polluting all the computers in my Battalion when I was in Korea! I thought it was long dead.... <shudder>
C6H6: The one thing that Windows users never seemed to understand was that while MacOS was being criticized for its simplicity, it was that very simplicity which made it so powerful. Stability and the ability to actually get stuff done. I personally loved the way the System was set up in the old OS. Everything had a very specific place: Control Panels, Preferences, Extensions, Fonts, Printers, etc. Made it insanely easy to fix. You could go into the Preferences folder and use a text editor to tweek program settings; if you installed a new program and there was a conflict, it was super easy to diagnose, simply by adding or removing a gob of extensions at a time untill you isolate the problem. Usually fewer than 10 reboots, and you found the conflict. And, of course, the wonderful way that programs were built, with the resource and data forks separate. I remember Marathon: only six files. Big program at the time, and so damn simple and clean....
And then Microsoft invaded.... what a stupid way to program, with thousands of settings files scattered about everywhere.
LMAO wonderful analogy! And OMG not the purple ape!!! what was that called? Browser Buddy or some nonsense like that? That thing was polluting all the computers in my Battalion when I was in Korea! I thought it was long dead.... <shudder>
C6H6: The one thing that Windows users never seemed to understand was that while MacOS was being criticized for its simplicity, it was that very simplicity which made it so powerful. Stability and the ability to actually get stuff done. I personally loved the way the System was set up in the old OS. Everything had a very specific place: Control Panels, Preferences, Extensions, Fonts, Printers, etc. Made it insanely easy to fix. You could go into the Preferences folder and use a text editor to tweek program settings; if you installed a new program and there was a conflict, it was super easy to diagnose, simply by adding or removing a gob of extensions at a time untill you isolate the problem. Usually fewer than 10 reboots, and you found the conflict. And, of course, the wonderful way that programs were built, with the resource and data forks separate. I remember Marathon: only six files. Big program at the time, and so damn simple and clean....
And then Microsoft invaded.... what a stupid way to program, with thousands of settings files scattered about everywhere.
Oh, you're preaching to the converted. I tried dozens of times to explain why complex wasn't necessarily better, but it's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart.
Bonzi Buddy was a real hoot. My freshman roommate in college was jealous that my Mac could read IM's to me, so he installed that program on his PC. When it asked for his name, he gave it "Sexy Man".
I'll never forget waking up at four in the morning when his machine started screaming "HELLO SEXY MAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET GREAT DEALS ON SOFTWARE???!!!" It took him literally two weeks to get that thing off of his comp.
Ah, and marathon. I still have the original install disc. I should fire that game up...
Oh, you're preaching to the converted. I tried dozens of times to explain why complex wasn't necessarily better, but it's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart.
Bonzi Buddy was a real hoot. My freshman roommate in college was jealous that my Mac could read IM's to me, so he installed that program on his PC. When it asked for his name, he gave it "Sexy Man".
I'll never forget waking up at four in the morning when his machine started screaming "HELLO SEXY MAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET GREAT DEALS ON SOFTWARE???!!!" It took him literally two weeks to get that thing off of his comp.
Ah, and marathon. I still have the original install disc. I should fire that game up...
LMAO that thing was downright VIRAL!!
Marathon: I still have the original install diskS. 3.5", oh yeah! Actually, I think I may have the box too....
I ended up with something like three or four copies of M1. MacWarehouse would sell them for like $5 or give them away for free with orders, so I stockpiled them for the serial numbers. I even actually set up a lan party once. Hauled the ole IIsi into church and set up a network... don't remember if we had more than two computers though..... It was AppleTalk, I think. Definately NOT ethernet.
I got a PBG3 Wallstreet back in 98 for school, but eventually handed it off to the family (ended up with my sister) when I (foolishly) decided to build my own pc. I came to the conclusion that since I had just enlisted in the Army, and was supposed to be a communications specialist, that I should know how to use windows. And there were more games too. Painful painful painful lesson. My sister is bringing me the G3 back in a few days for when I start the semester.
Sadly though, I think I'm going to get another PC, even though I curse the silicon they are made from. A tabletpc is just about the most useful damn thing to me right now, and, unless we see something shocking on tuesday, I don't expect Apple to meet my needs. Fortunately, however, I also need a 64bit system, and, after getting the G3 powerbook, vowed never to get a laptop as my primary computer EVER AGAIN. So I'm gonna score a Mac Pro too. With all the new tech crammed in there, that should last me another 5 years or so. Just wish I could get a mac tablet. Maybe I'll build one next summer.
Anyway.... speaking of annoying programs.... Ever install Conan the Librarian on all 30 computers in the school computer lab.. and turn the volume all the way up?
Ah, and marathon. I still have the original install disc. I should fire that game up...
All you old skool Mac people keep on raving about Marathon..!! WTF is it really? I've always heard about it but never actually played it. A seminal FPS for the Mac, I think, no doubt, but I've never tried it
It was like the Macintosh version of DOOM, but only with a real storyline and much more polish.
It's sort of the age-old macintosh vs. pc arguments, esp. regarding style, class, and intelligence. PC users had DOOM, Mac users had Marathon.
There's even a fairly active group that has developed an OpenGL version of marathon that runs on OS X natively.
Bungie released the entire marathon trilogy into the public domain a while ago, you can download the entire trilogy here: http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/
A macintosh classic, to be sure. Bungie bundled the physics and map editors with Marathon Infinity (the last of the trilogy), which really made a lot of people happy.
I can't even begin to count the hours I've spent making marathon maps.
Marathon is Halo before it became Halo. Same hero, just a different part of the hero's life and different looking bad guy's, but not so amazingly - nearly the same flavors. And Cortana is just a nice Durandal, although less poetic in a Greek tragedy kind of way.
Rather than a Mac DOOM I actually think it is more of a Half-Life before anyone programmed Half-Life on the PC.
All you old skool Mac people keep on raving about Marathon..!! WTF is it really? I've always heard about it but never actually played it. A seminal FPS for the Mac, I think, no doubt, but I've never tried it
ONLY play it in the dark... in the middle of the night.
LMAO wonderful analogy! And OMG not the purple ape!!! what was that called? Browser Buddy or some nonsense like that? That thing was polluting all the computers in my Battalion when I was in Korea! I thought it was long dead.... <shudder>
It is, it just happened to be the most widly recognisable peice of crapware to referance.
My, how times have changed. Remember when the mac Mac OS used to be derided because it was "too simple"?
No...it was the instability and crashing: I once had a badly coded web ad crash the browser and the OPPERATING SYSTEM...Now I have seen a pop-up crash IE, but never bring down windows...not without a third party like a virus that wouldnt harm the Mac at all...Fact is, "classic" OSs sucked.
I think much of what you've read and heard is wrong. The fact of the matter is, that while most people like to have a big hard drive, they never use most of it. Time Machine will make use of this extra space by backing up files that you change, which is a very small percentage of what most people have on their hard drives. Many of the larger files are media that they keep for viewing/listening, not editing. Time Machine will work in the background on your internal hard drive. There will probably be an easy user setting to set how much HD space to use before Time Machine deletes the oldest/lowest priority backups, all automatically.
It needs an additional drive, or a network connection.
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I'd like to quickly admit that I was wrong about Time Machine. It appears to me that it does rely on external drives, but I assume that Apple would allow users the option of backing up to an internal drive as well, though probably not the same partition.
As far as I know it should work with a partitioned drive. But if you only have one unpartitioned drive, you cannot use Time Machine at all.
It needs an additional drive, or a network connection... As far as I know it should work with a partitioned drive. But if you only have one unpartitioned drive, you cannot use Time Machine at all.
External hard disk for Time Machine will suck a$$ because you have to keep the external plugged in wherever you go... Think MacBook and MacBookPro and having your dongle hanging out to keep the External drive seamlessly connected for seamless Time Machine.
I think when Leopard is in full release Time Machine will rely strongly on an extra *smaller* (hence much cheaper) internal drive for both laptops and iMac and Mac mini. Or, *Flash* memory. Apple *has* to move the hardware in this direction IMHO for Time Machine to really be seamless. External drive connected all the time is not feasible. Network connection is good for internal LANs or very-high-speed WANs but not across our current broadband (3G, DSL, Cable).
External hard disk for Time Machine will suck a$$ because you have to keep the external plugged in wherever you go... Think MacBook and MacBookPro and having your dongle hanging out to keep the External drive seamlessly connected for seamless Time Machine.
Given that notebooks are Apple's top selling products, I am almost certain they have thought of that and have a good solution. I really doubt you have to keep the external hard drive attached all the time. I would think that their solution is more likely like syncing a PDA, I would expect that you can go to "home base" and do your syncing every few days just by hooking up the hard drive.
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Vista is already a failure. it's had so many problems that there is not way any IT department is going to upgrade to it.
Well, any respectable IT dept. at least.
He obviously didn't do his research. Avast works with Vista, and imo that's the best AV out there.
Avast rocks my world. I wish I could shove it up Symantec's bloated a$$.
As for the Core foundation, find any non-programmer who actually even knows what you're talking about or how it affects them. They're few and far between.
what you are talking about? not too many: how it affects them: most. I was in an Apple store yesterday and heard comments like "wow, it is so fast,pretty, smooth, slick, powerfull etc..." and "I wish windows had (Spotlight, dashboard, expose...) built in out of the box"
Fact is, all of these "core" technologies are what make OSX better than any other pre-built unix distro, that and the fact you can run MS Office and Adobe CS...
IT departments make all their money by talkin' thick users into installing windows; Vista is going to be a right little money spinner for them! Why do you think no IT peeps push OS X - They would be out of work; their services no longer needed!
What you speak of is a mafia setup, like GeekSquad, not the tech professional community: Any respectable tech pro will tell you that Windows stopped innovating with 2k, and that was basicly just NT4 with support for moddern (at the time) hardware technology, same for XP. The fact of the matter is Windows is living on its own inertia. think of it like a snowball on the top of a mountan, it rolls for the first say 1/3 of the way gaining size and strength because it is clinging to more snow on the way, getting better...then all of the sudden it gets to a point where there is no snow so it picks up mud, rocks, twigs and other debris, not becoming a more clorious snowball, but becoming a huge roll of crap under its own weight, nature takes care of this by melting the snowball, sadly this is where the annalogy stops: the only way to melt the windows snowball is to do away with lockin, which is why MS is going so ape-shit about open document formats because if you are locked to .doc, then you are locked to windows, or at least office for OSX...
Bottom line: windows aint going anywhere...unless MS slaughters its own golden-egg-laying-goose.
PS Why does everyone assume that tech pros like instability and insecurity? Most of us like to push the envelope with new ideas to make things work better, not waist 40 hour per week scanning for crapware and removing the purple monkey from the receptionests PC...
Any respectable tech pro will tell you that Windows stopped innovating with 2k, and that was basicly just NT4 with support for moddern (at the time) hardware technology, same for XP. The fact of the matter is Windows is living on its own inertia.
I've noticed this as well. It used to be pretty easy to find die-hard windows fanbois, but they're fewer and farther in between these days. Most of the CIS guys I know bitch and moan about Windows all the time, and either use macs themselves, or grudgingly admit OS X's superiority.
My, how times have changed. Remember when the mac Mac OS used to be derided because it was "too simple"?
Most of us like to push the envelope with new ideas to make things work better, not waist 40 hour per week scanning for crapware and removing the purple monkey from the receptionests PC...
LMAO wonderful analogy! And OMG not the purple ape!!! what was that called? Browser Buddy or some nonsense like that? That thing was polluting all the computers in my Battalion when I was in Korea! I thought it was long dead.... <shudder>
C6H6: The one thing that Windows users never seemed to understand was that while MacOS was being criticized for its simplicity, it was that very simplicity which made it so powerful. Stability and the ability to actually get stuff done. I personally loved the way the System was set up in the old OS. Everything had a very specific place: Control Panels, Preferences, Extensions, Fonts, Printers, etc. Made it insanely easy to fix. You could go into the Preferences folder and use a text editor to tweek program settings; if you installed a new program and there was a conflict, it was super easy to diagnose, simply by adding or removing a gob of extensions at a time untill you isolate the problem. Usually fewer than 10 reboots, and you found the conflict. And, of course, the wonderful way that programs were built, with the resource and data forks separate. I remember Marathon: only six files. Big program at the time, and so damn simple and clean....
And then Microsoft invaded.... what a stupid way to program, with thousands of settings files scattered about everywhere.
LMAO wonderful analogy! And OMG not the purple ape!!! what was that called? Browser Buddy or some nonsense like that? That thing was polluting all the computers in my Battalion when I was in Korea! I thought it was long dead.... <shudder>
C6H6: The one thing that Windows users never seemed to understand was that while MacOS was being criticized for its simplicity, it was that very simplicity which made it so powerful. Stability and the ability to actually get stuff done. I personally loved the way the System was set up in the old OS. Everything had a very specific place: Control Panels, Preferences, Extensions, Fonts, Printers, etc. Made it insanely easy to fix. You could go into the Preferences folder and use a text editor to tweek program settings; if you installed a new program and there was a conflict, it was super easy to diagnose, simply by adding or removing a gob of extensions at a time untill you isolate the problem. Usually fewer than 10 reboots, and you found the conflict. And, of course, the wonderful way that programs were built, with the resource and data forks separate. I remember Marathon: only six files. Big program at the time, and so damn simple and clean....
And then Microsoft invaded.... what a stupid way to program, with thousands of settings files scattered about everywhere.
Oh, you're preaching to the converted. I tried dozens of times to explain why complex wasn't necessarily better, but it's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart.
Bonzi Buddy was a real hoot. My freshman roommate in college was jealous that my Mac could read IM's to me, so he installed that program on his PC. When it asked for his name, he gave it "Sexy Man".
I'll never forget waking up at four in the morning when his machine started screaming "HELLO SEXY MAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET GREAT DEALS ON SOFTWARE???!!!" It took him literally two weeks to get that thing off of his comp.
Ah, and marathon. I still have the original install disc. I should fire that game up...
Oh, you're preaching to the converted. I tried dozens of times to explain why complex wasn't necessarily better, but it's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart.
Bonzi Buddy was a real hoot. My freshman roommate in college was jealous that my Mac could read IM's to me, so he installed that program on his PC. When it asked for his name, he gave it "Sexy Man".
I'll never forget waking up at four in the morning when his machine started screaming "HELLO SEXY MAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET GREAT DEALS ON SOFTWARE???!!!" It took him literally two weeks to get that thing off of his comp.
Ah, and marathon. I still have the original install disc. I should fire that game up...
LMAO that thing was downright VIRAL!!
Marathon: I still have the original install diskS. 3.5", oh yeah! Actually, I think I may have the box too....
I ended up with something like three or four copies of M1. MacWarehouse would sell them for like $5 or give them away for free with orders, so I stockpiled them for the serial numbers. I even actually set up a lan party once. Hauled the ole IIsi into church and set up a network... don't remember if we had more than two computers though..... It was AppleTalk, I think. Definately NOT ethernet.
I got a PBG3 Wallstreet back in 98 for school, but eventually handed it off to the family (ended up with my sister) when I (foolishly) decided to build my own pc. I came to the conclusion that since I had just enlisted in the Army, and was supposed to be a communications specialist, that I should know how to use windows. And there were more games too. Painful painful painful lesson. My sister is bringing me the G3 back in a few days for when I start the semester.
Sadly though, I think I'm going to get another PC, even though I curse the silicon they are made from. A tabletpc is just about the most useful damn thing to me right now, and, unless we see something shocking on tuesday, I don't expect Apple to meet my needs. Fortunately, however, I also need a 64bit system, and, after getting the G3 powerbook, vowed never to get a laptop as my primary computer EVER AGAIN. So I'm gonna score a Mac Pro too. With all the new tech crammed in there, that should last me another 5 years or so. Just wish I could get a mac tablet. Maybe I'll build one next summer.
Anyway.... speaking of annoying programs.... Ever install Conan the Librarian on all 30 computers in the school computer lab.. and turn the volume all the way up?
Ah, and marathon. I still have the original install disc. I should fire that game up...
All you old skool Mac people keep on raving about Marathon..!! WTF is it really? I've always heard about it but never actually played it. A seminal FPS for the Mac, I think, no doubt, but I've never tried it
It's sort of the age-old macintosh vs. pc arguments, esp. regarding style, class, and intelligence. PC users had DOOM, Mac users had Marathon.
There's even a fairly active group that has developed an OpenGL version of marathon that runs on OS X natively.
Bungie released the entire marathon trilogy into the public domain a while ago, you can download the entire trilogy here: http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/
The OpenGL version ("Aleph One"), is available here: http://source.bungie.org/
A macintosh classic, to be sure. Bungie bundled the physics and map editors with Marathon Infinity (the last of the trilogy), which really made a lot of people happy.
I can't even begin to count the hours I've spent making marathon maps.
Rather than a Mac DOOM I actually think it is more of a Half-Life before anyone programmed Half-Life on the PC.
All you old skool Mac people keep on raving about Marathon..!! WTF is it really? I've always heard about it but never actually played it. A seminal FPS for the Mac, I think, no doubt, but I've never tried it
ONLY play it in the dark... in the middle of the night.
Here's all three Marathon games for download. (1, 2, and Infinity).
http://www.the7thwar.net/ventcore/downloads/
LMAO wonderful analogy! And OMG not the purple ape!!! what was that called? Browser Buddy or some nonsense like that? That thing was polluting all the computers in my Battalion when I was in Korea! I thought it was long dead.... <shudder>
It is, it just happened to be the most widly recognisable peice of crapware to referance.
My, how times have changed. Remember when the mac Mac OS used to be derided because it was "too simple"?
No...it was the instability and crashing: I once had a badly coded web ad crash the browser and the OPPERATING SYSTEM...Now I have seen a pop-up crash IE, but never bring down windows...not without a third party like a virus that wouldnt harm the Mac at all...Fact is, "classic" OSs sucked.
"Maybe iDisk super cheap so "everyone" could subscribe."
With the rumor of rewards for bittorrent downloading w/ software update and iTMS, the reward could be free iDisk use.
I think much of what you've read and heard is wrong. The fact of the matter is, that while most people like to have a big hard drive, they never use most of it. Time Machine will make use of this extra space by backing up files that you change, which is a very small percentage of what most people have on their hard drives. Many of the larger files are media that they keep for viewing/listening, not editing. Time Machine will work in the background on your internal hard drive. There will probably be an easy user setting to set how much HD space to use before Time Machine deletes the oldest/lowest priority backups, all automatically.
It needs an additional drive, or a network connection.
I'd like to quickly admit that I was wrong about Time Machine. It appears to me that it does rely on external drives, but I assume that Apple would allow users the option of backing up to an internal drive as well, though probably not the same partition.
As far as I know it should work with a partitioned drive. But if you only have one unpartitioned drive, you cannot use Time Machine at all.
It needs an additional drive, or a network connection... As far as I know it should work with a partitioned drive. But if you only have one unpartitioned drive, you cannot use Time Machine at all.
External hard disk for Time Machine will suck a$$ because you have to keep the external plugged in wherever you go... Think MacBook and MacBookPro and having your dongle hanging out to keep the External drive seamlessly connected for seamless Time Machine.
I think when Leopard is in full release Time Machine will rely strongly on an extra *smaller* (hence much cheaper) internal drive for both laptops and iMac and Mac mini. Or, *Flash* memory. Apple *has* to move the hardware in this direction IMHO for Time Machine to really be seamless. External drive connected all the time is not feasible. Network connection is good for internal LANs or very-high-speed WANs but not across our current broadband (3G, DSL, Cable).
External hard disk for Time Machine will suck a$$ because you have to keep the external plugged in wherever you go... Think MacBook and MacBookPro and having your dongle hanging out to keep the External drive seamlessly connected for seamless Time Machine.
Given that notebooks are Apple's top selling products, I am almost certain they have thought of that and have a good solution. I really doubt you have to keep the external hard drive attached all the time. I would think that their solution is more likely like syncing a PDA, I would expect that you can go to "home base" and do your syncing every few days just by hooking up the hard drive.