jonahlee

Beats said:

jonahlee said:

If they come up with some new port it instead of PCI it will likely only mean Apple cards work with it, and it will mean the expansion is a joke. And while an Apple GPU might be decent, it is not going to compete with AMD and NVIDIA mainly because of driver support, because of the smaller market share unless Apple can magically beat the GPU giants at their own game without making something super hot and without a huge power draw, that is also so much easier to program for.

Oh goody this again. Happens every time.

"Apple is not going to beat out market leaders."

Instead of just trolling the posters, how about comment on the substance. So you think Apple can beat high end GPU's from NVIDIA and AMD? What makes you think so? I would love for it to happen. Seems to me that supporting 3rd party graphics at least in the short term would be smart as Apple works to make some of it's own GPU hardware, but the chart does not make that seem likely.

If they come up with some new port it instead of PCI it will likely only mean Apple cards work with it, and it will mean the expansion is a joke. And while an Apple GPU might be decent, it is not going to compete with AMD and NVIDIA mainly because of driver support, because of the smaller market share unless Apple can magically beat the GPU giants at their own game without making something super hot and without a huge power draw, that is also so much easier to program for.

The chart scares me certainly, and makes me think the new MacPro was a bit of a bait and switch, because they were obviously working on Apple SIlicon at the same time they were working on the MacPro.

I am hoping that sooner than later Apple has a another talk where they go into the pro end and how it will or will not be supported in the future. but in all likelyhood we just have to wait 2 years till Apple has made their full move to Apple silicon, and see what their high end actually is.

fastasleep said:

jonahlee said:

See the thing that worries me most are the little things in apple's actions already. If they have behind the scenes test hardware for all their configurations already, and yet they couldn't manage to get to get Thunderbolt into their developers machine. Does that mean thunderbolt is gone for them, or they couldn't get it working? Either way is not a good thing considering how much they have leaned on Thunderbolt for pro work over the past years.

Couldn't manage to or had no need to?

No need? So thunderbolt developers have no need to make sure their hardware works? Or pro software that has hardware that attaches via thunderbolt? I would say for sure there is a need.

Ha ha ha ha ha. I love the constant, oh look the iphone and ipad beat all their competition so anything Apple develops will be so much more powerful than pro machines? Have you tried any pro apps on an iPad? Any art programs or photoshop. First off they crash all the damn time, losing so much work that I have given up even trying to use them. So if a pro machine is going to pro software like that forget it!

And apple has a long history of screwing up in the pro market. The years between MacPros just being a small portion, but their constant dropping of their pro software has affected my industry often, and they have certainly made some lemon machines too. And look at Final Cut Pro X. Yes in some ways it is very powerful and in others it is completely broken, with what looks like no chance of it fixing it's many faults, you should see the list of bugs we hit on my last big job using it.

And all the talk of oh they can make something powerful enough and it will be enough. If they make their own graphics chip on a SOC and it isn't as powerful and it is orders of magnitude less powerful than what AMD and NVIDIA are doing for the same price, they are going to have huge problems in the pro space. 

And yes Apple beat NVIDIA in the mobile space with it's graphics, destroyed them completely, but the mobile space is very much a different beast. And yes experience does count for something. If experience building didn't count, Apple's car would have been out ages ago.

And I also love how it always seems to come down to Apple haters. Even as an Apple fan you are allowed to question them. I got my first Apple product 36 years ago and have been with them every since, but it doesn't mean that I won't question their decisions.