Rayz2016

22july2013 said:

I want the Galaxy Watch 4 to be great and affordable. It seems to be those things. But their website doesn't even talk about the features that are important to me, like privacy. Does my health data ever leave my watch? Where is my health data stored? In Korea? North or South Korea?

Your use of our Services will involve the transfer, storage, and processing of your personal information within and outside of your country of residence, consistent with this policy. In particular, your personal information will be transferred to the Republic of Korea. Please note that the data protection and other laws of countries to which your information may be transferred might not be as comprehensive as those in your country.

[For European Economic Area (EEA) Residents Only]
In addition, your use of the Services may also involve the transfer, storage, and processing of your personal information to other countries; such countries include, without limitation, countries in the European Economic Area, the United Kingdom, the United States of America, China, Singapore, Vietnam, India, Canada, the Philippines, and Japan. We will take appropriate measures, in compliance with applicable law, to ensure that your personal information remains protected. Such measures include the use of Standard Contractual Clauses to safeguard the transfer of data outside of the EEA. To request more information or to obtain a copy of the contractual agreements in place, contact us. See the CONTACT US section.

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Which, if I'm reading this correctly, means they can send it pretty much anywhere. Now, this is unusual, because most services keep your data on servers in the country where you signed up. For the EEA, they say they will take appropriate measures to ensure your data remains protected while when it's transferred outside the EEA. That sounds very woolly to me.

iadlib said:

This is admirable and I like the intention behind it. But to plays devils advocate. I bring up that this technique. Maybe. Possibly. Could be adapted for other kinds of data. Say emails. Text messages. Let’s say it becomes an API or baked in feature. What if that feature gets hijacked? By a hacker, or a government? To search for anti-state speech in China, or even industrial espionage. This is a Pandora’s box that couldn’t ever be shut. 

lkrupp said:

All this handwringing and foaming at the mouth, spittle flying everywhere. Fine, but what do you all pan to DO about it? Leave the iOS platform? Where will you go? Android, even though Google has been doing this for a couple of years now and Apple is just playing catch up? 

What will you do? Where will you go? Any answers?

There have been people that suggest that we should have a backdoor. But the reality is if you put a backdoor in, that backdoor’s for everybody, for good guys and bad guys… I think everybody’s coming around also to recognizing that any backdoor means a backdoor for bad guys as well as good guys. And so a backdoor is a nonstarter. It means we are all not safe… I don’t support a backdoor for any government, ever.
We do think that people want us to help them keep their lives private. We see that privacy is a fundamental human right that people have. We are going to do everything that we can to help maintain that trust. — Apple CEO Tim Cook, October 1, 2015

Yup, that aged well.

OutdoorAppDeveloper said:

If this was such a great idea, why are thousands of Apple employees singing an open letter against it? 

sflocal said:

mpantone said:

sflocal said:

"Millions" for 35-70 people?  Go figure.

The people throwing money at the homeless problem must be the same running the San Francisco money-pit as well.

One thing for certain: you don't know squat about SF Bay Area real estate.

Small properties (like 1 bedroom condos) in much of Santa Clara County run around $700-800 per square foot. Even a small rental unit -- like a 400 sq. ft. studio (which don't really exist) -- for two years would probably run around $1200 per month.

Much of the "reasonably" priced real estate in the area dates from the housing boom of the late Sixties and early Seventies, mostly apartments and condo conversions, maybe ranging from a low $500/sq. ft. in the less expensive neighborhoods to $1000/sq. ft. in upscale neighborhoods like Palo Alto (their public school system drives up the price).

The article specifically states that Apple is also including some funding for healthcare (super expensive) and financial help.

It's not like they are going to relocate these people to Flint, Michigan and dumping them in tenements.

So yeah, "millions" for 35-70 people isn't so far fetched. But you don't know anything about cost of living in the SF Bay Area, specifically Santa Clara County, that is for sure.

Of course you think I wouldn't know, except that I was born in San Francisco, live in San Francisco, and own property here in San Francisco.  I see the issues and plights of the homeless folks here in my city, and right outside my own home.  I know and see the real estate prices in the Bay Area.  Thanks for regurgitating what we here have known for decades.  Yes, it's expensive on the peninsula.  So?

My city of San Francisco has a 2021 budget of $1.1Billion earmarked for the homeless program for roughly 8,000 homeless people.  Just prior to the $1B mark, we've been spending about $750m of SF TAX MONEY every year for about a decade, then about $500m/yr for the decade before that, then $250m/year for decades before that, only for administrative costs to balloon, and the problem is only getting worse. 

If you think those millions of dollars for 35-70 people is "about right", then maybe you should throw your own money at the problem because many of us are fed up with it.  I shouldn't  have to pay some of the highest taxes in California to fund what should be a federal-level issue.  Every state should be contributing to this.

Those millions that Apple will pay is a rounding digit on their P&L statement, and will do absolutely nothing to resolve it because the status quo continues.

Show us your obvious solution Einstein.

sflocal said:

OutdoorAppDeveloper said:

If this was such a great idea, why are thousands of Apple employees singing an open letter against it? Craig keeps saying "we". Who exactly are "we"? Apple has had a problem with its executives and their ideas for a long time now. It's why the walled garden has become more like a walled prison for its customers. When Apple has to lobby against common sense ideas like the right to repair and the right to install whatever apps you want on the devices you own, you know there is a problem. With warrantless spying on personal data, Apple made it clear that they need new management. It is a good thing that there is a pandemic or Apple execs might find the crowd booing at them during their next live product launch.

Because those "thousands of Apple employees" may just be as ignorant as the rest of the people that are jumping in without understand the full story.

Apple did a spectacular blunder in how they publicized this.  No doubt about that.  What people refuse to see and understand is that CSAM-scanning is a law.  All cloud service providers - which includes Apple - are required to run CSAM scanning.  My physical iPhone is still as secure as always.  Nothing changes on that.  Zero back door.  

"I grant you, in hindsight, introducing these two features at the same time was a recipe for this kind of confusion," said Federighi.

StrangeDays said:

darkvader said:

The message is not the problem.

The spyware is the problem.

It’s not spyware. It’s the exact same child porn hash checking used by Microsoft, Google, Dropbox, Twitter, and Tumblr. Nobody wants to host child pornography on their own servers, and they won’t let you upload them. If you use any of those services, you’re already using CSAM hash checking. 

You are free to not pay to use iCloud Photos and your problem is solved.