PhantasticOne

nilunit said:

PhantasticOne said:

So let me see if I can follow Apple logic. If I have a safe deposit box at the bank and keep the record of my illegal activities there, police can get a search warrant and force the bank to open the box. However, if I keep all of my illegal activities on an overpriced iPhone and encrypt it with the help of Apple, I'm in the clear because Apple, unlike banks, doesn't have to comply with any legal search warrants. I see this strictly as a marketing ploy on Apple's part that makes me feel far less secure than I did before. To me, it's just this simple....Don't do anything illegal and you don't need encryption. What did people do in the time BEFORE iPhones? Apple....The criminal's friend and confidant.

Sorry dude you are missing the point.  Illegal or not is really not the issue. It comes down to trust in the system that you are using and whether or not it can be subjugated.  You may be perfectly happy with letting anyone into your thoughts or activities but others may not feel so welcome.  Criminal or not.  They should have the right to prohibit access.  You are only seeing things from the perspective of criminals.  Profiling individuals is becoming so pervasive with social media.  It would be nice to know there are some places where one can safely express thoughts without fear of being spied on.  It's called decency.  

radarthekat said:

PhantasticOne said:

So let me see if I can follow Apple logic. If I have a safe deposit box at the bank and keep the record of my illegal activities there, police can get a search warrant and force the bank to open the box. However, if I keep all of my illegal activities on an overpriced iPhone and encrypt it with the help of Apple, I'm in the clear because Apple, unlike banks, doesn't have to comply with any legal search warrants. I see this strictly as a marketing ploy on Apple's part that makes me feel far less secure than I did before. To me, it's just this simple....Don't do anything illegal and you don't need encryption. What did people do in the time BEFORE iPhones? Apple....The criminal's friend and confidant.

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If the bank doesn't have a key to the safe deposit box (maybe it was lost) law enforcement doesn't demonize the bank and threaten its management.  They also don't demand that the bank manager himself break into the box, as that's not his job.  They simply hire a locksmith to open the safety deposit box.  But that's not what they are doing in this case.  They could hire a specialist with an electron microscope to shave down the EPROM on the phone where the hardware encryption key has been written, use the electron microscope to read that key, then copy all the encrypted data off the phone and brute force the password against it and the recovered hardware encryption key.  Had they gone this route, they'd have decrypted the data by now, but that's not really their objective.  By telling the world the only way to get the data off that phone and decrypt it is with Apple's assistance in taking some very specific steps that results in a reusable backdoor, the FBI has exposed themselves as liers with an agenda.

As to those who don't do anything illegal not needing encryption, well, I don't do anything illegal and my Target debit card was part of a huge hack that could have compromised my bank account.  Just one of many examples where data security is important to law-abiding citizens.  If a hacker can get into your phone, he could read your schedule, which might include reminders about your kid's activities that you take them to.  An entire picture of your life could be constructed, resulting in your young daughter being abducted perhaps, or any number of other scenarios.  Software to log and transmit your keystrokes could be installed, allowing access to your financial accounts as your usernames and passwords are collected by hackers.  Our lives are in our smartphones.  Don't be naive thinking that data doesn't warrant absolute security.