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Courts say AI training on copyrighted material is legal
designguybrown said:Meh. Seems emotional and sentimental. If you are placing your content on the web, you are practically posting it on the street for general view with absurd hopes of pennies trickling in on some desperate fancy rather than through proper business channels with an effective strategy of legally protecting and promoting yourself - childish. Most people who do such art that they may avoid other types of structured paid work - what do they expect when they treat their skill set as a hobby - likely not wanting to work for others on a structured gig - if that's even around much? What's even the issue here - not getting a piece of the trifling leavings of scrapers and edu-content pedlars? pedantic. Art needs to stop being a vague creation-vocation of the rando people and grow up. Successful society is based on complex businesses and legal structures requiring serious people acting seriously. Creativity is a real skill and needs focused training and a hierarchy of knowledgeable people to propagate it through society. Sorry, but I have little symp for the dilettantes and dabblers hoping to otherwise avoid the soulless cubicle, construction site, and assembly line.
I think most of us would agree that "Successful society is based on complex businesses and legal structures requiring serious people acting seriously." I might get that as a tattoo.
Now, when I read that I think of wise, thoughtful comments like mfryd has been posting here. AI raises complex business and legal questions and perhaps we need new legal models to ensure we end up with a successful society. Not sure how denigrating content creators as dilettantes and dabblers helps advance the conversation (although I do appreciate the alliteration). -
Courts say AI training on copyrighted material is legal
foregoneconclusion said:mfryd said:foregoneconclusion said:mfryd said: I am not a lawyer, however this is my understanding of what someone can do without violating copyright law.AI may not store text in a simple format. A computer can parse the text, break it down into verbs, nouns, concepts, etc. The computer might be storing a sophisticated parse tree and analysis of the original text, not the original text itself. Perhaps this conversion is transformative enough that it isn't a violation? Does it make a difference if the computer and undo the transformation and can recover the original text?The courts are currently working on clarifying how to apply the existing copyright law to these new, and unforeseen usages.
...When each LLM was put into a public-facing version of Claude [Anthropics AI service], it was complemented by other software that filtered user inputs to the LLM and filtered outputs from the LLM back to the user (id. ¶¶ 75–77). As a result, Authors do not allege that any infringing copy of their works was or would ever be provided to users by the Claude service. Yes, Claude could help less capable writers create works as well-written as Authors’ and competing in the same categories. But Claude created no exact copy, nor any substantial knock-off. Nothing traceable to Authors’ works. Such allegations are simply not part of plaintiffs’ amended complaint, nor in our record.Authors further argue that the training was intended to memorize their works’ creative elements — not just their works’ non-protectable ones (Opp. 17). But this is the same argument. Again, Anthropic’s LLMs have not reproduced to the public a given work’s creative elements, nor even one author’s identifiable expressive style (assuming arguendo that these are even copyrightable). Yes, Claude has outputted grammar, composition, and style that the underlying LLM distilled from thousands of works. But if someone were to read all the modern-day classics because of their exceptional expression, memorize them, and then emulate a blend of their best writing, would that violate the Copyright Act? Of course not.
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New Vietnam trade deal means Apple will pay at least five times more in tariffs
MplsP said:New Vietnam trade deal means Apple American consumers will pay at least five times more in tariffs.
Fixed the title. -
Apple CEO Tim Cook gifts President Trump gold & glass commemorative plaque
AAPL is up 10% since the press conference was announced. Not surprising. The stock was down, in part, because the market perceived that Apple was in the crosshairs of our king and liable to be punished (somehow) in the future. This offering was as much for the benefit of the analysts as the king himself. They now believe Apple is less likely to face some irrational spite from the king, so the stock price reflects that. Hundreds of billion dollars of market cap for the cost of a piece of glass and a photo op? Good deal, smart move.I look forward to the day our king leaves office (and this mortal coil), but until then I support how the team at Apple are navigating these fraught waters. -
AppleCare One launches as a single plan to cover multiple Apple devices
FYI, here are the deductibles for theft or loss:Apple Watch:$119 for theft or loss
iPhone: $149 for theft or loss
iPad: $129 for theft or loss
https://www.apple.com/legal/applecare/fees-deductibles/
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UK announces plans to further regulate Apple and Google
I appreciate that the UK is straightforward in just designating certain companies as having "strategic market status" rather than quibbling over whether they are monopolies. They want to regulate the major companies that impact their economy. So be it. We can argue about whether any of the mega tech companies are "monopolies" but no one can argue about their importance.
I'm not a big fan of heavy regulation, but if you're going to do it, just say it. -
Classic 'Doom' now playable on Apple Network Server
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iPhone 17 may have been spotted in the wild
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Apple's iPhone 16e announcement takes a familiar approach
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AppleCare+ moves to subscription-only model
jrobards said:Not sure how that could be considered consumer friendly as the pre-paid multi year was better priced than the subscription model. I think this is kind of lousy.