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StrangeDays said:

volcan said:

Who cares? Even if every bank in the world accepted Apple Pay unless my grocery store accepts it, it is worthless to me.

People other than you probably care. Your situation isn't everyone's, so I find your suggestion that AI should shut up until you personally get a decent grocery store in your area quite irrational.

Crazyoldranga said:

Tap and go with my card works well enough for me. Quicker and easier than pulling a phone out and starting the app etc, etc.

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

Apple is offering a service which has a cost to the bank that implements it. Some banks have chosen to pass the costs onto clients indirectly (Santander for example). Saying the system doesn't require an app seems strange as in this case iOS is the app. Some banks use a small sticker (which isn't very pretty but isn't a big issue if you use a case either) and doesn't need the phone even to be on.

OMG....what kind of screwed up mental gymnastics are you performing here? You're saying it's fair to say there's an "app" to launch, because iOS? That's absurd. There is no "app" because you don't need to launch a damn thing -- just wave the phone over the POST with your finger resting on Touch ID, and it's done. No need to unlock the phone or open a thing, thus there is no app, the argument is intellectually bankrupt.

But yeah, putting a fucking sticker on your phone is a much better solution. Cool story bro.

OMG! Which bit did you fail to understand?

It doesn't matter if there is an app or not! That was my point. Something is handling the process and it could be an app or the system itself. Again. Does it matter? I was replying to other comments and it wasn't even the main part of my post.

I don't use Wallet systems (with or without stickers) or Apple Pay or any other similar systems. I could use a whole bunch if I wanted but at the moment I'm passing because I really don't need anything more than a piece of plastic and a PIN code for transactions over 20€. No weight, no battery, just a piece of plastic. I never take my phone to the beach and if I pop down to the local supermarkets I don't need to either. Just a tiny piece of plastic. There are advantages to all the systems but each person will decide which one is better in each context.

Putting a sticker on your phone is a great solution if your phone doesn't support NFC or your card issuer doesn't support Apple Pay.

Like I said, the sticker solution isn't pretty but if it's that or carrying a physical card around when you don't want to, it isn't a big deal when the sticker itself is often invisible on the back of the phone and under a case.

"screwed up mental gymnastics"? In a word: 'Nope'.

My post was centered on the attitude of the banks. I'm no fan of the banks but I can see why some are reluctant to get onboard phone payment systems from companies that want in on the deal. That isn't so hard to understand and let's be honest, Apple didn't design this for its users. It designed it as a revenue stream. The problem is that it will only work if you can convince the card issuing banks. Something identical happened with music sales. You have to negotiate.

It's all normal business.

david | dahoveed said:

The M1 Mac mini will run two displays at the same time.

1. One (and only one) connected via Thunderbolt 4

2. One connected via HDMI