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South Korea ends Apple, Google control of app store payments
Nobody is saying that Apple should get rid of commissions or that they don’t deserve to get paid though. People are concerned that companies like Spotify and Netflix are forced to give away 30% when Amazon negotiates lower rates behind closed doors. When the App Store first came out, it was new and novel. Today it’s matured, and it’s no longer just being used for mobile games, Angry Birds, or simple apps. It’s replacing people’s computers and it has changed the paradigm of how the entire market works.BiggieTall said:In the realm of “no good deed goes unpunished”:
remember the days when Tim got standing ovations at the developer’s conference when he announced how many iPhone customers with registered credit cards were available to the developers and their apps?Apple created the concept and market.Smh. Someone name me a developer who was actually worth a crap that went out of business solely because of the App Store overhead charge or because they had to sell only in the App Store.Go ahead shoot yourselves in the foot. I would gladly pay an Apple Prime subscription amount to buy solely via an Apple curated store and it’s benefits.And once you curry favor of governments to do your bidding and let politics determine what competition success and failure is, let’s let Apple put a couple dozen of its $B in cash into strategic app development efforts and let’s see what the market looks like. Anyone other than MS, Google and Apple doing the big three “Office type apps” these days?Some of those concerns aren’t unreasonable. Particularly for subscription based services like Spotify and Netflix (or the email app “hey”) where this has become a big problem. People are arguing for reasonable commissions for those use cases that resolves a big discrepancy in pricing that we are seeing today. Nobody is arguing that Apple should simply get rid of commissions or that they don’t deserve to get paid (or that developers should try to circumvent the rules).
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South Korea ends Apple, Google control of app store payments
This isn’t quite the same thing as Costco accepting credit cards though. This is pushback against 30% commission rates, which is significantly higher than any credit/debit card service will ever charge the a vendor. To be fair, I’m not exactly in support of the idea of having alternative app stores popping up all over either (opens the door to bad actors in an ecosystem filled with them), but the pushback against those commission rates is definitely not unreasonable. It’s, at the very minimum, understandable. On Android, people can just sideload if they want to (and know the risks, which are real concerns). Apple doesn’t give that option at all. If there is a dispute, there is no recourse.rob53 said:
Users get choice... Since when do users of just about any product really get a choice? Yes, you can choose to purchase or not purchase a product. When I go into a store, I can only purchase what they have in the form they have it in. My "choice" is what's offered, which isn't necessarily what I really want. Yes, I can try and find a similar object somewhere else but I want everything I want to buy be in the same store, I don't want to have to look around for things. This is what Apple provides. You might not like everything Apple does but they aren't any different that any other retailer in the world. This is why all these lawsuits are garbage. We all know every store we go into has its own set of rules. You don't like them, shop somewhere else. If you want to buy an Apple product, there are places you can buy them and places you can't. Don't say this is only a payment system because I've already addressed that with companies like Costco only accepting certain credit cards. Should Costco be forced to allow payments outside these credit cards? Should they be forced to allow someone to pay Sam's Club then pick up the product at Costco without paying Costco? Try it and see what happens. The people pushing these lawsuits are simply out to destroy Apple and countries are helping them.avon b7 said:...
The most important thing though, is competition and freedom. Users get choice and that is necessary. Apple shouldn't be playing gatekeeper to what kind on apps are available or restricting competition on payments.
...I’m a big fan of Apple products and use both their computers and their phones daily. I’m also a shareholder and I have a lot of faith in the company’s future. But I also recognize where the industry is going and I think that some degree of change is inevitable. We’ve already seen a lot of it in the past year, and I think we will see more of it in the coming years just by virtue of the way the wind is blowing.
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South Korea ends Apple, Google control of app store payments
I’m not so sure I agree with the idea of barring them from their in app purchases, but the 30% commission has been unrealistic for a long time. When you think about companies like Spotify, Facebook Marketplace, and Netflix having to pay those, it’s understandable why there is consumer backlash.They have negotiated lower rates with certain companies such as Amazon, but even this practice opens the door to unfair practices that might benefit some companies over others. There is probably a solution that benefits all parties involved, and that probably involves opening the door for much lower commissions for those kinds of recurring subscriptions, which would reduce the demand for more sweeping legislation (as SK has done) to begin with. But regardless of what they do in response to this, I do think that deeper changes to the App Stores are coming. It’s pretty much inevitable at this point.
