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ericthehalfbee said:

gatorguy said:

An app from Apple's AppStore will be just as secure and malware-free as it is now whether 3rd party stores/sideloading is permitted or not. It changes nothing for an iPhone owner who uses only the first-party store. 

No one is saying Apple needs to make it as easy to sideload as not. FWIW Google makes it fairly difficult to do so now, so even if it can be done they definitely strongly discourage it with change settings in an obscure place most people would never see. Allowing a user choice of what applications to load on their own personal $1000 expenditure puts the onus where it belongs. The only legitimate reason not to is purely profit-based and not because they're "saving us from ourselves". 

We buy homes and add furniture we choose from whatever source we wish, no payment to the architect or the builder. We buy cars and change out the audio, headlights, et.al sourced from wherever we wish, no permission required from the auto manufacturer or fee to be paid.  We buy computers and laptops and add programs from any developer we wish, no stipend needs to be paid to the computer vendor or manufacturer. But we buy a smartphone and can only add applications that the provider further profits from and/or offers themselves?

EDIT: As I said, it's not a simple thing to sideload on Android now. It requires more than a bit of familiarity with the system structure and so not something Cesar's grandmas and aunts would accidentally do.

Pull down from the top and tap Settings. Then nestled among a dozen or so main collections from Security (which is where I would have expected it to be) to Privacy to System, go to Apps. where you're presented with all your recently opened ones and an option to see all of them. Nothing there indicates anything about outside sources or 3rd party stores or anything else. Where they've hidden it is in yet another sub-menu; Special App Access. Even there you won't find it on the first page of options.

Down near the bottom if you scroll far enough will be "Install unknown apps", a disconcerting title.  Now tapping that makes it even more difficult because you then are offered several different categories of personal devices, products, files and browsers where you will choose to allow it, but which one?? By default they are all disallowed.  Yup, daunting for someone with little knowldege.

Apple can do the same, make it pretty darn hard, in fact near impossible, for mom, pop and that great aunt to accidentally load an app that comes from an unsafe place. Only the knowledgeable will be able to do so.

How did such an ignorant post get so many likes? New group of trolls sign up?

Your first point is a lie. I’ll repeat the previous example I used. I download an App from The App Store. My friend downloads it from a 3rd party store. My App has restrictions applied by Apple but the 3rd party App has no such restrictions. Anything I share with my App that goes to my friend now gets shared with an outside party because THEIR App doesn’t get vetted. Suddenly my personal information is shared WITHOUT my consent, not by my version of the App but by an App on the other end. The idea staying away from side-loading protects you is asinine.

How do you reconcile this stance with your constant promotion of Google Messages being E2EE and therefore safe? It’s not safe if the other end isn’t. Seems you’ve really backed yourself into a corner here.

Your second point shows your ignorance of what’s being requested. Epic is suing Google because they claim the warnings you see before side-loading are anti-competitive. They claim these warnings are designed to scare users away from side-loading. What the companies/groups/Senators want is frictionless side-loading. They will accept nothing less. Therefore there will be no warnings. They want 3rd party stores to be as simple as The App Store. One-click installs and no constant nagging/warnings. This is where the danger lies as it will be easy to trick users into allowing and installing 3rd party Apps. The only warning Apple/Google will get away with is most likely a single, one-time notification to enable side-loading. After that it’s the Wild West.