kiltedgreen

mfryd said:

However, this is not a reason to prohibit running Mac OSX on an iPad.   Users should have a choice as to which OS they run.

I have nothing against the iPad OS.   It's a great solution for many (but not all) users.   Why not allow users to choose which OS they are running?    

The iPad OS can be the default, but please allow power users to install OSX.  iPad apps already work inside of Mac OSX, so no functionality is lost.  

An iPad with an M4 processor, 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD, Thunderbolt 3, and a Magic Keyboard Folio (Keyboard and trackpad) would make a damn fine portable Mac.

Please, just buy a MacBook if you want a “damn fine portable Mac”, it’s already here. I for one do not want my iPad running macOS - I’ll leave that to my Mac thanks.

sighting said:

Oh no what would one of the richest most profile companies in the world do? How about stop using cheaper labor and move manufacturing back to the country that buys 40% of your products and oh wait makes 12% less profits..   I don't know how people are not pressuring companies like Apple to focus on the people instead of the profits.. I blame the Stockmarket. I t made us forget why we do what we do.

You don’t have any grasp of what is required to make millions of iPhones in a way that makes business sense for Apple, do you?

Zirlin said:

Put the MacOS on the iPad and watch sales skyrocket.

You’ve not been here long, have you?

ITGUYINSD said:

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avon b7 said:

I'll wait to hear the full story from all sides but my first thought was 'Think Secret'. 

AppleInsider got sued a few years before ThinkSecret, and won too.

In this climate, though, it'll be interesting to see how this goes.

And ThinkSecret did not win their lawsuit and got shut down for the leaks they posted on their website.  I miss the days when people were actually surprised during a keynote when a new product was released, because none of it was leaked beforehand.

the problem is, no one is excited or surprised during the keynotes, not because of leaks, but because Apple can't churn out anything to be surprised or get excited about!  I mean, seriously, any idiot can predict a slimmer, lighter iPhone with a new chip in it and 23 minutes more battery life than last gen!  Is that exciting to you?  

It is mostly because of the leaks.

I know it’s a techie/Apple fanboy’s wet dream to have something as dramatic as an iPhone launched every year but reality doesn’t work that way. (Disclaimer: I’ve used nothing but Apple stuff since I bought the Macintosh in ‘84). There’s no company announcing radical new products each and every year. What you get are advances on existing products - faster, better screens, more memory, OS updates. That’s the way it works for any company - Meta, Samsung, Google, or whoever. Yes, there’s folding phones but whether they are gimmicks or practical devices remains to be seen. AI pin? How did that exciting new products go?

If you really, genuinely expect Apple to announce something really new and exciting every year you are plain deluded. Think back to the days of Steve Jobs. He announced the Macintosh in 1984 but what did you get after that? Updated Macs. A laserWriter. More updated Macs. Updated OS. More updated Macs. The next really new ‘exciting’ thing after that was the iPod in 2001 - that was 17 years later! (Yes, I know he wasn’t at Apple the entire time). Eight years later you got the iPhone, so for seven years all you got was faster processors, bigger disks and maybe better screens. Not exactly ‘exciting’ by your reckoning I’ll wager.

So, in the real world, genuinely new products don’t come along that often. From anyone.

Back in the day I had a mostly QUAD HiFi with Pink Triangle/Alphason arm and AT cartridge topped with ESL-63s. For regrettable reasons, that has all gone and now I have Apple Music and KEF LSX speakers which I use wirelessly but I also bought a dedicated headphone amp and QUAD ERA-1 headphones to make up for my loss.

When Apple debuted Lossless and HiRes I was thrilled. I could certainly tell the difference between AAC and Lossless but what about Lossless and HiRes? So, for those albums which offered both formats I downloaded both to my iPad Pro, and listened to each format on my headphones across about 6 different albums. I could just about convince myself that there may have been slightly more detail with HiRes, but given file sizes around 6 times bigger I decided to forgo the possible maybe advantages. I’ve stuck with lossless since and until I try again and miraculously notice a difference worth the pain, that is where I’ll stay.

This is the same Trump clown show that marketed the Trump T1 phone stressing that it would be "Made in the USA" only to subsequently remove such lies from its website and change it to "American proud design". Making it in China would at least be consistent as that's where most of Trump's merch is made. Funny that.

Talk about do as I say and not as I do ...

jeffd said:

kiltedgreen said:

Please, just buy a MacBook if you want a “damn fine portable Mac”, it’s already here. I for one do not want my iPad running macOS - I’ll leave that to my Mac thanks.

I suppose you have two separate sets of airpods for listening to your podcasts versus your music. You probably also have two cars, one to go to work and another to get groceries. Naturally you must own two houses, one for summer and one for winter. And I applaud your efforts to force everybody out there to do exactly the same. 

I have no wish to force anyone (not that I have such power). The Mac annd iPad are similar but different. Apple has stated repeatedly that the iPad will not run macOS. Technically the iPad is powerful enough to run macOS and has been for years, yet still it doesn’t. However, because of that there is a faction of Apple customers which endlessly insist that the iPad really really should run macOS. Why? You want something Apple doesn’t make and has said many times that they will never make. So, the most sensible thing to do is buy a MacBook if you want a portable device running macOS and an iPad if you want a portable device running ipadOS. What the hell is so hard to understand about that?

If you want a tablet running a desktop OS then I believe Microsoft make such a thing.

charlesn said:

kiltedgreen said:

mfryd said:

However, this is not a reason to prohibit running Mac OSX on an iPad.   Users should have a choice as to which OS they run.

I have nothing against the iPad OS.   It's a great solution for many (but not all) users.   Why not allow users to choose which OS they are running?    

The iPad OS can be the default, but please allow power users to install OSX.  iPad apps already work inside of Mac OSX, so no functionality is lost.  

An iPad with an M4 processor, 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD, Thunderbolt 3, and a Magic Keyboard Folio (Keyboard and trackpad) would make a damn fine portable Mac.

Please, just buy a MacBook if you want a “damn fine portable Mac”, it’s already here. I for one do not want my iPad running macOS - I’ll leave that to my Mac thanks.

Comments like this convince me that reading comprehension has become a lost skill in America. Pretty aggressive response considering he didn't say that you--or any iPad user--HAD to have their iPad running MacOS. What he said was: "The iPad OS can be the default, but please allow power users to install OSX." See? Not only do you not have to run MacOS on your iPad, you don't even have to install it! He would simply like that option for people who do want to install it. And your problem with this request, which would not affect you in the least, is WHAT exactly? I have suggested this as a possibility myself, since Apple Silicon can boot into either OS, and this kind of separate solution doesn't involve ANY compromise in either OS--no need to try and kludge a touchscreen into MacOS or complicate iPadOS--both OSes work exactly as they do now, which is why he specifies the need for a Magic Keyboard folio, because you'll need a keyboard and trackpad for MacOS. Of course, we all know why this will never happen: Apple wants to continue to sell us two devices, not one. It's also why they've resisted ease-of-use functionality in iPadOS (the files system, multitasking, etc) that would make it more of an easy laptop replacement for more people. It's really as simple as that. 

Sorry if it came over as aggression, it was exasperation! My reading comprehension is just fine thank you (and I’m not American). Logistically how would Apple approach selling such a creature? What percentage of iPad users would be the target audience? What advantage does Apple gain from a dual boot iPad? The only dual boot product Apple have ever made is the Intel Mac and that was to another company’s OS - they have NEVER done it with their own OSes.

I doubt Apple could simply take macOS and run it on an iPad anyway as there will be subtle assumptions built into macOS that would not work on an iPad. Then we’d end up with macOS for Mac, macOS for iPad and iPadOS. Maybe some people would like iPadOS to run on their Mac with an M4 Ultra chip, who knows? iPadOS for Mac?

What is exasperating is this never ending fantasy of a portable Mac that isn’t a Mac but an iPad. Or would an iPad be running macOS become a Mac and no longer an iPad? Are these macOS on iPad people desperate for a touch screen Mac or do they just want a Mac with no attached keyboard? Do they want an iPad with apps that have all the same features as the Mac version - if so, contact the company who made the app, it won’t be fixed by changing the OS. What is the end goal of this?

Sibeheng said:

9secondkox2 said:

yeah... I don't think apple's goalposts are what other's goals are. Apple isn't worried about getting it to be thin, etc. Apple isn't looking to solve the problems with someone else's product. 

Apple wants it to have a reason to exist beyond... "Dude, it folds."

When it makes sense for the category and when It is every bit as reliable as the current, solid bar iPhone, and when it adds something worthwhile to the phone, Apple will release such a thing.

Currently, Apple hasn't seen the need ro benefit. I have to agree.

That's not to say next year won't be a different story. Perhaps it will. But when Apple actually goes in that direction, it will be don't in such a way as to be plain common sense. it could be that Appel has an entirely different idea in mind than another flip phone with a flexible screen. 

How about "iPad Mini in your pocket" ?

Being an iPhone user for freakin' 18 years, this is the first time I ditch iPhone 15 Pro Max for Oppo Find N5. It's a game changer dude. It is as thin as the latest Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 7. Pick one up and you'll feel that long lost feeling again.

But it’s not an iPad mini, it’s a small Android ‘tablet’ and there’s a reason why people buy iPads in preference to Android tablets and one of them is the software.

Just think of this (A lack of significant new features in the Apple Watch Series 10 and no updates to the Apple Watch SE or Apple Watch Ultra, is claimed to be behind another year of declining sales.) concept logically; to address it, Apple would have to build new features into Apple Watch this year, in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035, 2036, 2037 …

You get the picture.

Just what exactly would you expect? How many features can be added to an Apple Watch, every year until the end of the product line? What are buyers demanding? What crucial feature must an Apple Watch have before these others buy it? Maybe everyone who wants one has bought one? Do iPhone sales keep rising every single year?

I know computers are different from anything else in that they contain software which can be updated whereas your TV, cooker, car, grass mower, microwave and the like stay the boring same, year after year. Such is the strange life we lead as humans in the West today where it’s expected that there will always be more features in our tech products. Every. Single. Year.