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Quote: Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf A ruling that APIs are protected by copyright would be a radical change in the software industry and could put many well-established software projects in legal jeopardy. As I said earlier, MS hasn't sued WINE…
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet I think basically ruddy doesn't program, or doesn't understand enough of programming in order to be able to appreciate why this is an issue. I understand perfectly well why it's an issue. You don't se…
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You guys keep wanting to pretend that declaring code isn't literal code, that it's magic fairy dust instead of something extremely complex and creative that can be copied. Alternatively you want to pretend that the API itself has no creative express…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gwydion And by the way, it was not Google show copied the API, was Apache Foundation. Apache copied Java, Google copied Apache. Are you such a dim bulb to think that magically lets Google off the hook? That's a we…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gwydion All of your predictions for the trial were wrong All my predictions come right as soon as the CAFC overturns Judge Alsup's ruling.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet I think you are just confused. The code at issue here is dictated by the names you choose (WINE has no choice in this) and the datatypes (exactly the same) and by the language you write the code in. …
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Quote: Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf No they didn't. You are in denial. Google admitted to copying more than 7000 lines of declaring code verbatim before the trial began. It was never in dispute. But keep pretending otherwise.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gatorguy What do you mean "Nope"? I mean nope because the EU does not contemplate protectable expression co-existing alongside functionality. However US copyright case law expressly does, and still protects it. …
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Quote: Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf Microsoft hates Wine. They would rather it not exist, because every person who is running photoshop or MS Office on Wine is someone would otherwise have had to buy a copy of Windows. Do you think Microsoft w…
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet You haven't actually described how these are different. Yes I have. Reverse engineering the functionality of software is legal. It copies no code. It doesn't even copy the SSO of the code. Reverse e…
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Quote: Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf my system had better contain a header file called "windows.h" and it had better declare the MessageBox function as specified by the Win32 API. The only thing that really matters is that Microsoft went out of…
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet The point is that the guy who ran the company that developed this didn't believe Oracle's arguments. You might claim Google needed a license but Sun clearly didn't and I'm definitely going to take their…
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet They accused them of this, but they folded on those claims. The code at issue here is the declarative code which states the names, packages and input/output datatypes of functions. Declarative code …
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet Quote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57420304-94/former-sun-ceo-says-googles-android-didnt-need-license-for-java-apis/ Even Judge Alsup said Schwartz's statements had no bearing on Google's lack o…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gatorguy I'm not an attorney (or developer or even a student of the law) and hardly any more qualified than you to argue law or formulate a legal theory. Anything I would write would simply be parroting something I…
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Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by ruddy Nope, Sun made its money licensing Java APIs, they made their money doing exactly what Google didn't license Java for. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/28/javaone_code_release/ Yup, Schwartz…
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet It's a misleading view. Let's say I wrote a book on cats. I label each chapter with the name of the major cat species I am dealing with, include some brief details on their geographic distribution an…
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Quote: Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf If you don't like the Mono example, what about Wine, the reimplementation of the Windows API which has certainly not been endorsed by MS? First of all WINE didn't "copy" anything, it's a reverse engineerin…
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Quote: Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet Right but you misrepresent Sun's business model. They did not license the APIs. In fact they operated very similarly to Mono in this case. Please, tell me who benefits from having the API structure c…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gatorguy IMO Fair Use seems to have a good chance of succeeding if it comes to that as most of the original jurors reportedly found in Google favor on that question in the first trial. What's your fair use theory th…