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Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss The value proposition hasn't changed at all. If you didn't like the grocer's price for ten apples then you should not have paid it. The fact that you can now get one apple for free does not change the value…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss You haven't improved on the analogy by making it more complex. No matter how convoluted you make it, the product you bought and the price you paid are not affected in the least by someone else getting a par…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss If you buy ten apples at the grocery store, then the grocer gives someone else an apple for free, does that mean that you now have only nine apples? Poor analogy. How about the grocery store only sold a…
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Quote: Originally Posted by justfine For my wife and me the ability to sync our calendars and have a cloud based backup solution is worth the $140 annual charge although we'd certainly appreciate if it were free or considerably cheaper. You ca…
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Quote: Originally Posted by melgross This antenna issue is interesting. I'm willing to bet that most of those mentioning antenna issues have never had one. Sometimes when an "issue" is publicized, people will mention it, even though they've never…
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Quote: Originally Posted by BartBuzz I'm sorry. So you have one survey that claims only 93% are satisfied. I stand corrected. But in my case I haven't found an iP4 owner who isn't satisfied with the hardware. They aren't all satisfied with AT…
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Quote: Originally Posted by BartBuzz Don't try to bait me. From the stats I've seen 99+% of iP4 users are satisfied. And when you make comparisons, I suggest you don't compare apples (pun intended) and oranges. Some people who owned a Pinto di…
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Quote: Originally Posted by anonymouse Well, there is distortion of facts going on here, but not by me*. The dB issue has already been addressed ad nauseum and shown to be yet another red herring. I know your grasping at anything you can here, bu…
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Quote: Originally Posted by anonymouse These are some of the people I was referring to. I particularly like the part where ski1 emphasizes that the problems other phones suffer are technically called by another name, while essentially admitting t…
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Quote: Originally Posted by solipsism So you’re still wagering that it will be using that “design flaw” of having an antenna as the frame that you can can see and touch, but you’re saying that they will change the some aspect of the frame-antenna…
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Quote: Originally Posted by solipsism See, now making a prediction I’m fine with. I do disagree with your statement as I think the frame will still be the antenna for next year’s phones as the benefits far outweigh any cons. However, if your a…
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Quote: Originally Posted by BartBuzz I'm just patiently waiting for my Verizon iPhone in January. \ A Verizon iPhone will be nice if it really happens in Jan. And I would wager the iPhone on Verizon will have a revised antenna design. I wonder…
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Quote: Originally Posted by anonymouse since they remain willfully ignorant of all the phones that have pretty much the same issue LOL, you sure do have your head pretty deep in the sand !!! Funny how many other knowledgeable independent sour…
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Quote: Originally Posted by solipsism In any case, it?s clear the iPhone 4 is an improvement over previous phones. Not in the real world.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tulkas I tend to hold it pretty tightly when talking on it (especially when walking) for fear of dropping it and smashing the screen, so 'natural' could well include a tight grip. Certainly, for someone that might hold…
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Quote: Originally Posted by solipsism Because it’s pointless. If you run the numbers I can find a lot more “real world” examples, as you put it, to suit my argument, but these aren’t “real world” these are just you finding an example that suits y…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tulkas But this real world example doesn't seem to be real world. In a case, the iPhone 4 should behave similarly to the 3GS. My iP4 clearly shows up to 20db of loss when tightly held while in a case (I just did two mo…
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Quote: Originally Posted by solipsism So without a Bumper, it’s a net win for the consumer as the antenna as the frame design allows for a much wider range of Db. THEN if you add a Bumper Anand states that "is on par if not better than other phon…
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tulkas Where did you find those numbers for the 3GS?. It's in AnandTech article. Only 2db loss when holding the iPhone 3GS naturally. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/t...one-4-review/2
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Quote: Originally Posted by solipsism You really need to read better. That is the NEXT PARAGRAPH as noted in my comment. Or are you honestly trying to convince us that everything he said and all his tests were with the Bumper on, but he mentioned…