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  • No, Apple's new Mac Pro isn't overpriced

    wizard69wizard69
    StrangeDays said:
    rain22 said:
    It's overpriced. Let me explain...

    100% of professionals are looking for a powerful computer that they can upgrade/expand over time. 
    99.99% of professionals did not ask for this extremely expensive specific video editing computer. 
    99.99% of professionals will not buy this extremely expensive specific video editing computer. 
    Therefore - the Mac Pro is in every way overpriced for the professional market. 

    Pointing to the .02% of professionals who might want this and making an argument in their support while ignoring pretty much the entire market... that's a stretch.
    Please define "professionals". Per Craig, their most populous professional users are developers, who are quite covered already with iMac 5K, iMac Pro, and MBPs. This work station isn't for devs, it's for a sub-set of users who need maximum power. These were the people who had been whining on these forums about needing to abandoned Mac because there weren't beefy-enough workstations. 
    Craig highlights, maybe unknowingly, the issue with the Mac Pro, it is designed for a tiny subset of their pro market.    This isn’t the machine for many of the developers looking for something better than a Mac Mini.  The problem is Craig and apparently the rest of management, doesn’t recognize this truth.  

    As for what market it may have we will see in the near future if the machine gets reasonable updates.   If it goes 3-5 years without a effective update we will know that Apple targeted the wrong niche.  
    dysamoriawilliamlondonmike54

  • No, Apple's new Mac Pro isn't overpriced

    wizard69wizard69
    Mike Wuerthele said:
    rain22 said:
    It's overpriced. Let me explain...

    100% of professionals are looking for a powerful computer that they can upgrade/expand over time. 
    99.99% of professionals did not ask for this extremely expensive specific video editing computer. 
    99.99% of professionals will not buy this extremely expensive specific video editing computer. 
    Therefore - the Mac Pro is in every way overpriced for the professional market. 

    Pointing to the .02% of professionals who might want this and making an argument in their support while ignoring pretty much the entire market... that's a stretch.
    Nope.

    It is overpriced for you, and that's fine. It is not overpriced when compared to equivalent Windows Workstation machines, which is what this article is all about.
    That depends upon how you define equivalent and doesn’t take into consideration that that so called equivalent machine is also overpriced.  Careful shopping will turn up better hardware at lower prices.    The real question is the expense of upgrades that are again grossly overpriced especially in comparison to equivalent retail offerings.  Apple often charges 4X the price of retail RAM with the same specs and does so across all of its platforms.  In this regard the Mac Pro is no different.  

    Frankly this article seems to be more about conditioning people to accept Apples ripoff pricing.   Instead AI should be taking Apple to task over the greedy price structures it uses.   I’d suggest a purchase of a Thread Ripper (the newly released stuff)  based system and a head to head comparison to really see how well the Mac Pro holds up.  
    NinjaUnmatcheddysamoriawilliamlondon

  • No, Apple's new Mac Pro isn't overpriced

    wizard69wizard69
    Mike Wuerthele said:
    jmulchino said:

    lkrupp said:
    There is absolutely no need to explain the price of the Mac Pro to anyone. The market it was built for knows full well the value of the machine. As usual the tech media is hell bent on spinning this as another example of Apple’s “overpriced” hardware. There’s already a video on YouTube by some complete dimwit claiming the Hackintosh he built outperforms the Mac Pro for a quarter of the price. Stupid is as stupid does. The complaints here in AI are from sub-Pro hobbyists and so-called Prosumers who thought they would get a tower with slots starting at $1999.00.
    I feel like your third sentence explains why we did this piece.
    With all due respect, I disagree. AI has presented the new Mac Pro, however in nuanced terms, as an article for consumers and not a workstation for professionals. Two examples: AI posted an article about where to get and how to install third party RAM on the Mac Pro to avoid paying Apple for outrageous RAM prices. Why would a pro do that? As a consumer I would easily consider that. But not a pro working for an agency. And two. You are quick to rationalize for Apple re: the $500 wheels by listing Windows operating system as a similar $500 add on. You know that’s not the same thing. 
    My point being is that by diving into the nuts and bolts of the new Mac Pro you are treating it like a consumer product when I would guess 99% of your readers will not purchase it. You reap what you sew. 
    ... what? That is not a rational take based on what we've said and continue to say about the machine.

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/06/04/editorial-the-new-mac-pro-is-overkill-for-nearly-everybody-and-it-hit-apples-own-target

    A solo professional, or small video studio will buy the Mac Pro, and install their own RAM. Pixar, Disney, and the like will not. Neither are consumers, and both are who the Mac Pro is aimed at.

    I agree that looked at as objects, the wheels and the cost of Windows aren't the same thing. However, looked at as an argument why the Mac Pro is expensive because this optional thing is $400 and a Windows Workstation is cheap if you don't include the cost of the required Windows install is the point of the exercise.
    Everything about the new Pro is grossly over priced.  There is really no defense for $400 wheels.  
    dysamoriawilliamlondonmike54

  • No, Apple's new Mac Pro isn't overpriced

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    AnotherBrick said:
    Nice try, but it won’t work. Every article I’ve seen leads off with the price, usually highlighting the wheels, monitor or the monitor stand. The only things that might shut up those laughing will be if it sells well even at its price point and reviews and user testimonies are positive. 

    And that won’t shut up a dedicated core of people who just seem to like complaining. 
    Anyone buying the wheels deserves to be laughed at!!!!    
    williamlondon

  • No, Apple's new Mac Pro isn't overpriced

    wizard69wizard69
    lkrupp said:
    There is absolutely no need to explain the price of the Mac Pro to anyone. The market it was built for knows full well the value of the machine. As usual the tech media is hell bent on spinning this as another example of Apple’s “overpriced” hardware. There’s already a video on YouTube by some complete dimwit claiming the Hackintosh he built outperforms the Mac Pro for a quarter of the price. Stupid is as stupid does. The complaints here in AI are from sub-Pro hobbyists and so-called Prosumers who thought they would get a tower with slots starting at $1999.00.
    The machine is overpriced there is little doubt there.  

    As for out performing the new Mac Pro, you need to look at the results AMDs Thread Ripper is delivering.  We are taking 2X performance deltas over some of Intel’s chips.    The fact is nobody concerned about performance will be buying a Mac Pro.  
    williamlondon