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crowley said:

apple ][ said:

I'm not talking about a lousy 20k. I'm talking about many of millions that have invaded. That dumb woman in charge of Germany did that. I think that she's trying to compete with a certain guy who used to have a funny mustache for worst German leader ever.

So what?  We're talking about the UK, not Germany.

A Germany that has a labour shortage incidentally, so bringing in immigrants doesn't seem like such a stupid thing to do, but hey, xenophobia doesn't need to make economic sense, right?

Angela Merkel made Germany the power house of Europe, and some loser on the internet call her a dumb woman.  I'm sure she'll be up all night.

And she also created the migrant crisis by foolishly granting refugee status to anyone who made it to Germany. The Dublin Convention is that asylum seekers must apply in the country where they arrive. 

According to one of the many articles I've read over the past few days, in the days before his "renegotiation" of the UK's EU terms, David Cameron tried to warn Angela Merkel that support for the EU was collapsing and that only a serious change in the terms of the UK's membership would save it. Unfortunately, all he got were some limited concessions on social welfare payments to new immigrants.

apple ][ said:

I'd also like to thank our arrogant, community organizer in charge for opening his big mouth and coming with veiled threats to the English people, about them ending up at the "back of the queue". 

That statement alone gave a serious boost to the leave movement, and it outraged countless UK people. Almost everything that he touches basically turns to garbage and ends up being a complete disaster. Thank goodness for that!

Under Trump, the newly improved UK and the USA will get along fantastic! Good times ahead folks! Happy days are soon here again!

Yep. Gotta figure that backfired. People don't like being lectured to. Perhaps he thought he was doing Cameron a favor, but the better response would have been that he respects the UK people, and has valued their friendship and stature within the UK to advance our common interests. It makes a similar point, but in a way that is positive rather than negative.

EUROPEAN said:

tallest skil said:

No, it’s completely and utterly different. The United States is an entity with a singular culture, singular language, and singular history. 

Wuahahaha, singular. Ahhh, from Italy, from Ireland, from England, from Germany, from France. OK, singular. Wuahaha. Sorry, your roots are from Europe my friend. YES, Singular EUROPE. Your are right. Europe, not Germany, not Italy, not france. EUROPE! Right. That is your root. It comes from US in the EU.

There is a distinct American culture, and of course we (mostly) share a language. Maybe eventually the EU will become the United States of Europe, but that's not what it started out as, and I don't blame any country who wants to jump off before it gets to that point, particularly since the EU lacks democratic accountability. It is too far removed from the people. The European Parliament is mostly powerless, and the Commission and Council are not directly accountable to the people.

crowley said:

apple ][ said:

Scotland can't join the EU, even if they voted remain, because I saw on tv last night that other EU countries will veto it, as they do not want Scotland to be a part. I think that it was Spain that would veto.

Oh, well if you saw it on TV then it must be true, and totally unsusceptible to change in the coming years.  It certainly isn't a stance that has changed before.

Oh, wait... http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304495/Spain-will-not-veto-an-independent-Scotland-joining-EU

Sheesh, do you twerps even put in a modicum of thought before you start ungracefully cawing over a perceived victory?

Spain can talk the talk, but if push comes to shove, they will block Scotland if they think it will encourage the Catalonians to secede. Besides, this is the same Spanish government that used the result to suggest dual sovereignty over Gibraltar. The people in Gibraltar were not amused.

Also, in 2014 Nicola Sturgeon and the pro-Independence Scots couldn't even say whether they would adopt the Euro or keep the pound. They tried to claim the latter until the UK said they wouldn't be able to (at least not with the UK's blessing and access to the Bank of England). All new EU entrants must accept eventual accession to the Eurozone. The SNP cannot deliver on all its promises of increased welfare while staying within the budget constraints of the exchange rate mechanism. And it wouldn't be an instant "in" anyway. So their choices are to split from the UK before Brexit is final, be completely on their own as a country of 5 million with a brand new currency while they wait for the EU to get around to their application, or wait 2-5 years while Britain finalizes its exit, and then re-assess their options. The latter is the less risky route, and I think the Scottish public knows it. 

sirlance99 said:

prokip said:

I don't often disagree with you DED, but I do this time.  You say "really quite unthinkable and ill considered-leap" by the British people to leave the Eurozone.  This is totally NOT TRUE !! The Brits have had it with the unelected Eurocrats of Brussels for many years.  They have been thinking about this for over 30 years since being cleverly taken into the Common Market in the 70's.  Now finally they have flicked the birdie at the unrepresentative socialist swill in Europe that has tried to control so much of their society for so many years.  And as the 5th largest economy in the world they will have bugger-all trouble making their own way quite successfully, if not better than they have in the past 30 years.

The British bulldog is back in business!!   Go Britain, go !!

And a warning to you dear in the USA.  This is another reason why Trump will be elected in November in a landslide.  People ares sick of being treated like fools by the PC arrogance of the political elite.

The UK is NOT the 5th largest economy anymore since last night. 

Minor quibbling. The UK and France are essentially tied. The markets were roiled primarily because they don't like uncertainty. If there were a democratic revolution in China next week the markets would be roiled, too.

Anyway, long term I think this will be good for Britain. If the EU had remained a simple free-trade agreement (what it was when Britain last held a referendum on it membership), I don't think there would be as much resentment about it as there is. Contrary to popular opinion, the Remain side tried to use scare tactics just as much as they claim the Leave side did, too. The reality is that it would be stupid for the remaining EU to "stick it" to Britain since they are an important buyer of their goods and services. With Brexit it will be easier for the UK to negotiate trade deals with Canada, Australia, and the US (don't believe Obama's "back of the queue" nonsense, since it will be his successor's job to do the negotiating, and we already have a framework in NAFTA).