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genovelle said:

sdw2001 said:

genovelle said:

Please note that the 5G profile in France and similar countries in the EU are different because they use a fraction of the power US companies implementation ascribes to. 

But there is also no evidence that it’s actually going to disrupt anything. Taking precautions is good, though. This seems reasonable.

Think about it. Airplane mode on the iPhone was created because the cell phone signal could effect the equipment in the cockpit durning take offs and landings. The airlines know that this would not end well. 

Can you site even a single instance of a military helicopter taking down an airliner with its millimeter wave radar? Such radar pushes substantially more power than any mobile phone on the market, and substantially more than a cell site; but you would have us believe that such measures are prudent without any evidence from existing systems in the same band, with substantially higher outputs are causing the kinds of problems that less powerful US telcos hope to implement. Please, show an example of a military helicopter with millimeter wave radar causing a problem on a commercial aircraft. I’m not even asking for an example of a crash. A simple documented case of interference is all I request. Just one.

genovelle said:

The carriers are using Europe as a shield but never remember to mention the fact that European carriers using 5G do so a much lower power ratings that they are here. 

Both are tiny compared to millimeter wave radar used for years by militaries on multiple continents. Perhaps you can find an example of such radar crashing a civilian aircraft; but, I couldn’t. Please, by all means, if you can find such an example, share it here.

Military experience with millimeter wave radar says otherwise and such radars pump out a lot more energy than a smartphone. If what they are alleging was true, civilian planes would be crashing every time a military helicopter illuminated it with its radar. Strangely, I can’t find a single instance of this ever occurring. Could it be that like many bureaucrats, they are fear mongering to maintain and grow their power? No, it couldn’t be that…

FTC could also add multiple counts of fraud, given Meta’s filing in their defense against journalist John Stossel’s defamation suit asserting that their “fact checks” are mere opinion, and therefore not subject to defamation claims, as opposed to claims of asserted facts which are untrue. The mere assertion of an opinion as fact is a fraudulent statement, and Meta has made a great number of such assertions. Indeed, the Stossel lawsuit filing would be evidence of such.

GeorgeBMac said:

wd4fsu said:

What mystifies me is that the airlines are not saying (or the news media isn't reporting) what DATA they are seeing to warrant the delays.  It sounds like emotion and paranoia is guiding their actions and sadly, this has the desired effect on the public and elected officials.

On the flip side, the telcos have DATA (actual test results) showing that little or no concern about interference exists.

This part of the spectrum is used for altimeters required to safely land planes -- especially in inclement weather.   If Verizon & AT&T suck it all up, planes may start crashing.  But that's a small price too pay for additional profits.

I take it you enjoy making alarmist claims in contradiction of facts. The FCC has sold rights to specific frequencies to the telcos. Those specific frequencies are not simultaneously authorized to aviation use. C-Band has been in general use since the 1950s. If the appeal to emotion fallacy scenario you are painting was supported by facts, then the scenario you depict would have already occurred, providing factual data. Please try to constrain yourself to facts and logic, as difficult as you may find it.