avon b7

StrangeDays said:

Soli said:

What's the term for this kind of bigotry? Scapegoating? Don't you all make comments on this forum about Google, Amazon, and other non-Chinese people or owned companies breaking the law without making sweeping claims about nationalities? Should we claim that all Americans are thieves because of them? Should we say that America is inherently skullduggerous because VirnetX won yet another lawsuit against American company Apple? I don't recall anyone making any suggestion remotely of that nature on that thread.

China has a unique deep culture of IP theft, ripoffs, and counterfeits (aka knockoffs). This is simply a fact. It’s why it’s taken decades to get them to kind of enforce IP law. 

I traveled China as part of my studies during university two decades ago, it was everywhere and an open secret. Whether that’s immoral is a different discussion. Perhaps it’s flourishes there due to poverty, it’s hard to respect western IP law when entire populations would never be able to afford the name brands. 

anantksundaram said:

avon b7 said:

It looks very sleek. The colour scheme, if not exactly as groundbreaking as last year's Androids, looks great nevertheless.

I'm leaning towards off centre punch holes but it is very small.

I think the design is very modern even if it doesn't set a new bar.

If this is one of the Notes, it hits the mark.

Oh good. You'll become an Android user, and there'll be less need or interest on your part in being on an Apple forum....

At least, one can hope!

NoFliesOnMe said:

avon b7 said:

NoFliesOnMe said:

Guys I can’t believe all this merry go round of Huawei did or did not do X and you conveniently leave out the really pertinent facts.

1. Huawei was caught with backdoors into the modem software that they supplied to the Italian Vodaphone. When asked about it Huawei’s response at first was to deny it happened, then when proof was brought to the table their response changed to “oh that one, it is old and we wouldn’t use it anyway. Trust us”. If the hand wasn’t caught in the cookie jar, I don’t know what is.

2. Employee of Huawei in Poland was caught soliciting intelligence secrets. Upon being caught, Huawei denied any knowledge and sacked the guy. So now their record of being involved in intelligence gathering is clean, according to Huawei, because the guy doesn’t work for them anymore.

3. It is more than just the American Intelligence agencies that are ringing the bell of the Huawei/5G problem. Australia was the first to raise the red flag, sorry about the pun, on the problems with Chinese communications companies supplying the 5G infrastructure and the possible problems it could create. So if you don’t trust the US agencies advice, trust the Australian Intelligence agencies work, especially as they had to raise the alarm to the American counterparts first before the US agencies started to run with it.

4. The big issue with Huawei and any other company in China is the Chinese law. It clearly states that the government of China has the ability to take over or insist on certain actions be fulfilled by any company and the affected company has no right of refusal or reply against the government and has to remain silent about the request. There is no equivalent law in other democracies around the world and I t is this law that makes the whole 5G situation untenable. If the CCP changed this law it might make things a little easier, but now the trust has been broken it is hard to gain back to the same level without a lot of work on the CCP’s side to build that trust back up.

I’m not going to post links to substantiate the above points, it is easy enough to search for the references yourself if you’re  interested. Now go back to your respective corners and start slinging mud.

1. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/30/huawei_enterprise_router_backdoor_is_telnet/

If your first affirmation is wrong, why believe the rest?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-30/vodafone-found-hidden-backdoors-in-huawei-equipment

I find it amazing the lengths people will go to, to distort the facts to support their argument. Instead of just saying “interesting” and changing their point of view accordingly.

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

sflocal said:

avon b7 said:

Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented...

I stopped reading after the first sentence.  Same rant, different day.

You showed up right on cue to defend the supreme right hand of the Chinese government regurgitating the same BS.

They have been caught, numerous times spanning DECADES. You just refuse to acknowledge it and instead, use deception and “alternative facts”.

just stop it.  It’s getting really old.

You should inform the U.S government of your information.

This is from just a few months ago when EU telecoms executives demanded hard evidence to support U.S claims:

"Europeans pushed back, too. During one closed-door session, senior representatives from European telecom operators pressed a U.S. official for hard evidence that Huawei presented a security risk. One executive demanded to see a smoking gun, recalled the U.S. official.

The American official fired back: “If the gun is smoking, you’ve already been shot. I don’t know why you’re lining up in front of a loaded weapon.”

There you have it. The U.S sent a special delegation of its highest ranking officials specifically to ward countries off Huawei. They even made a tour out of it but when it came to actually putting evidence on the table, for all the bluster and threats, there was nothing to be had. Huawei even had a message for EU governments of its own that the U.S didn't see coming:

"Prism, Prism on the wall. Who’s the most trustworthy of them all?” he said. Guo was referring to a mass U.S. foreign-surveillance operation called Prism that was disclosed by former NSA contractor Snowden. The barb drew laughter from the audience"

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/huawei-usa-campaign/

Perhaps you should have continued reading. I don't rant and as you can see, your post comes over as nothing but that, a rant. Use the 'ignore' button if necessary. If you don't even read what you are replying too your argument is severely weakened.

If you believe Huawei is not a pawn in a trade war I suggest you argue that point. As well as its privacy claims because many big U.S companies have been found wanting when it comes to privacy.

Far from ranting. I provided some extra information that could be very relevant two years from now and as most people agree, the U.S miscalculated in a massive way by dragging Huawei into a trade war and holding a gun to its head to provoke a response from China.

Now, everybody (and I mean literally everybody) has accelerated plans to eliminate future dependency on U.S technology by developing it in-house or acquiring it from (who would have thought? China and of course the EU). Hence the link to South Africa's opinion on Huawei. Don't think the rest of developing Africa and and South America isn't interested either.

I think it is a shame that so many U.S companies will lose billions (they are already bleeding by the million) against their will. They have urged Trump to change course, industry representatives have written to the government, they have declared to special committees, the bigger companies have directly lobbied the government and others have found ways to skirt the ban (much to the anger of U.S hawks).

The Fed has changed policy guidance, many U.S companies have seen their books decimated by losing access to Huawei. Google fears for the worst and has a lot to potentially lose. So much that it even argued that banning Huawei was a national security issue! Incredible.

The worst thing is that Trump is now at odds with his own hawks because he is going to lose out whatever he does.

We can think back and look at his "not on my watch" comments and then look into a future where the U.S loses billions in technology sales, loses world influence as a result and sees superior technologies rise and displace U.S efforts (5G for example) and remember that, while the fallout will take a few years to arrive, the problem actually did begin on his watch.

What the link states;
 
"In early 2018, in a complex of low-rise buildings in the Australian capital, a team of government hackers was engaging in a destructive digital war game.

The operatives – agents of the Australian Signals Directorate, the nation’s top-secret eavesdropping agency – had been given a challenge. With all the offensive cyber tools at their disposal, what harm could they inflict if they had access to equipment installed in the 5G network, the next-generation mobile communications technology, of a target nation?

What the team found, say current and former government officials, was sobering for Australian security and political leaders: The offensive potential of 5G was so great that if Australia were on the receiving end of such attacks, the country could be seriously exposed. The understanding of how 5G could be exploited for spying and to sabotage critical infrastructure changed everything for the Australians, according to people familiar with the deliberations.

Mike Burgess, the head of the signals directorate, recently explained why the security of fifth generation, or 5G, technology was so important: It will be integral to the communications at the heart of a country's critical infrastructure - everything from electric power to water supplies to sewage, he said in a March speech at a Sydney research institute.

Washington is widely seen as having taken the initiative in the global campaign against Huawei Technologies Co Ltd, a tech juggernaut that in the three decades since its founding has become a pillar of Beijing’s bid to expand its global influence. Yet Reuters interviews with more than two dozen current and former Western officials show it was the Australians who led the way in pressing for action on 5G; that the United States was initially slow to act; and that Britain and other European countries are caught between security concerns and the competitive prices offered by Huawei."

You seem unaware that this link actually supports my contention that this is a National Security issue. I know that it is because I posted that same link weeks ago in response one of your posts.

As well, you seem unaware that Trump still considers Huawei a National Security issue; his Secretary of State Michael Pompeii is the one who continues to argue for the ban on Huawei Telecom. At best, Huawei will continue to be allowed to use U.S. technology for its consumer products.