avon b7

neilm said:

sammysamsam said:

I have an 11 Pro and my photos don't look anywhere near as good as Austin Mann's photos.  Are we sure Apple didn't give him a 'special' phone.

No, they gave the iPhone a better photographer. 

LOL. Very valid point but the photos are very nice all the same. But yeah, the user (depending in his/her skills) can take things to another level.

Was the fishermam photo shot handheld or on a tripod?

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

DscheyH said:

The shown iPhone image on top of the article looks like there are small (white) scratches near the edge. What happened?

I think that photo came from the hands on at the Apple event. It might be lint or the unit got a bit scuffed.

They are quite obviously reflections of spot lighting in the viewing area. Or, uh, scuffs...yeah, that’s the ticket. Brand new glass iPhone is all scuffed and chipped. Crap product materials, right?

It's very clear now that you've never been at a product hands on. All kinds of things can happen. I once saw someone rub a phone down his cardigan to take off fingerprints only to remember he had a zip on it and left a groove in the factory installed screen protector.

Product materials have nothing to do with anything.

In this case, if they are reflections, fine. Take it easy.

It's funny that you actually haven't commented on the reviews.

I haven't seen one yet. I read the 5,000 word Gruber 'review' but it wasn't really a review IMO. Apple seems to have caught up a bit but hasn't really stormed the gates of the castle as it were.

Things that have been commonplace on competing phones are now finally showing on an iPhone. At last!

A little late to the party but for iPhone users something to celebrate. The most important thing is that they are (almost) here.

When the real reviews start arriving (I mean from people that have actually been using them for a few weeks -Gruber had his for only a few days when he wrote his piece), I believe, we will have something to go on.

"When the real reviews start arriving". 

Yet another cheap shot from Avon B7.

Most of the reviewers have had them for a week prior to the NDA allowing them to post, and given the intense interest, have been putting many hours and days into usage and creating and posting the reviews.

I'm sure you are waiting for the Mate 30 Pro to be released and reviewed.

Cheap shot?

I answered your question honestly!

I said I'd only seen one review so far and in spite of its length it basically compared the new phones to last year's iPhones which were lacking in other areas and didn't go into much depth.

I haven't been in every iPhone piece pissing on the party. You (everybody) has reason to celebrate because if you are upgrading from an iPhone there are notable changes to be had.

I understand that.

I've lost count of the number of times I've read here and elsewhere that tri-cameras, Night Mode etc  were available on the Google Pixel or some Samsung phone when in reality it was a leading advance from Huawei long before those phones. You haven't seen me riding in waving a Huawei flag just for the sake of it. No. As usual, I've picked up on some (not all, by a long shot) false statements and corrected them - fairly.

I don't take cheap shots.

Here's a reality shot for you. A long time ago when Huawei introduced everything that makes its low light technology so famous today, they often didn't even bother putting the iPhone output into the comparison! They basically said the iPhone took a black photo. The times they could put something into the presentation, the difference was so staggering that from fifty metres away you could see the difference. Back then this was big news. Now, it isn't, in the wider handset world.

You know, people in China were surprised to see the P30 Pro pop up in the Apple keynote comparing performance. This was the first time that had happened.

Did Apple put up P30 Pro shots to compare with the new tentpole camera features on the iPhone? If they didn't, ask yourself why not?

I can guess one reason if they didn't compare the two directly. When this was 'new' it was big news. We knew all about it at the time. Since then, Night Mode has arrived on a heap of Huawei phones (including mine!). I've been taking better low light photos than the XR for nearly a year (at half the price and double the storage!).

Back then the difference was abysmal. Now it isn't (until tomorrow maybe, LOL). It's as simple as that. Now you'd have to take a close look at the output but people don't do that so Apple is back with the 'good enough' problem.

So, how does the new Apple Night Mode stack up against the P30 Pro from earlier this year?

https://www.pocket-lint.com/phones/news/149390-iphone11-vs-pixel-vs-p30pro-night-mode-camera-comparison

Battery? My half-cost, almost two year old phone will still probably best the newest iPhones in charging. And I just read that the iPhone 11 still comes with a 5W charger! Is that true?

Finish? So much teeth gnashing when I suggested Apple should up the ante on shell design/finish. What happened? Apple presented another range colours and finishes and Gruber dedicated an entire block to the subject. It matters!

Are the new phones ugly? You bet. They just aren't as ugly as they could have been. It's a personal thing though and very few anti Android folks will ever admit to it. Personally I'm not a fan of this design that everyone seems to think is beautiful:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-gets-schooled-in-design-by-Porsche-Design-Mate-30-RS-in-leaked-render.434850.0.html

It looks better than the iPhone, though (IMO).

Mate 30 Pro? Ah! The elephant in the room, some might say.

Yes, it's coming tomorrow. We know a lot about it already and it is a jaw droppingly, sexy beast! Whether it lives outside China or not is another matter but you can be guaranteed a string of memes comparing it to the iPhone 11.

Features? I know the same as you. On paper and according to rumours, some seem just impossible. We will see and wait for the reviews on that one too.

What counts is what I've always said - competition.

Thank Huawei and Samsung for that.

Cheap shots?

Nope.

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

DscheyH said:

The shown iPhone image on top of the article looks like there are small (white) scratches near the edge. What happened?

I think that photo came from the hands on at the Apple event. It might be lint or the unit got a bit scuffed.

They are quite obviously reflections of spot lighting in the viewing area. Or, uh, scuffs...yeah, that’s the ticket. Brand new glass iPhone is all scuffed and chipped. Crap product materials, right?

It's very clear now that you've never been at a product hands on. All kinds of things can happen. I once saw someone rub a phone down his cardigan to take off fingerprints only to remember he had a zip on it and left a groove in the factory installed screen protector.

Product materials have nothing to do with anything.

In this case, if they are reflections, fine. Take it easy.

It's funny that you actually haven't commented on the reviews.

I haven't seen one yet. I read the 5,000 word Gruber 'review' but it wasn't really a review IMO. Apple seems to have caught up a bit but hasn't really stormed the gates of the castle as it were.

Things that have been commonplace on competing phones are now finally showing on an iPhone. At last!

A little late to the party but for iPhone users something to celebrate. The most important thing is that they are (almost) here.

When the real reviews start arriving (I mean from people that have actually been using them for a few weeks -Gruber had his for only a few days when he wrote his piece), I believe, we will have something to go on.

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

DscheyH said:

The shown iPhone image on top of the article looks like there are small (white) scratches near the edge. What happened?

I think that photo came from the hands on at the Apple event. It might be lint or the unit got a bit scuffed.

They are quite obviously reflections of spot lighting in the viewing area. Or, uh, scuffs...yeah, that’s the ticket. Brand new glass iPhone is all scuffed and chipped. Crap product materials, right?

It's very clear now that you've never been at a product hands on. All kinds of things can happen. I once saw someone rub a phone down his cardigan to take off fingerprints only to remember he had a zip on it and left a groove in the factory installed screen protector.

Product materials have nothing to do with anything.

In this case, if they are reflections, fine. Take it easy.

lkrupp said:

avon b7 said:

On the face of it this doesn't sound like a solid defence. The devil will be in the details.

'Apple currently pays' comes over as a PR message. The problem is not what Apple currently pays but what it paid in the past.

Mentioning the 'small numbers' really says little about what the numbers really were
according to Apple and almost in the same breath mentions reality and common sense. What is reality? Surely common sense tells us that those low numbers shouldn't be that low (even if reality is a little higher).

Perhaps I'm just being over cynical but these statements haven't convinced me at this very early stage.

Conversely your not being convinced means precisely bupkus

Was it supposed to mean anything to anyone but me? LOL.

This bit below the article is where you give your opinion. Not somebody else's. 

The only people that know what is going on and in what circumstances are the parties involved. We are merely spectators with opinions.