avon b7

sflocal said:

avon b7 said:

Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented...

I stopped reading after the first sentence.  Same rant, different day.

You showed up right on cue to defend the supreme right hand of the Chinese government regurgitating the same BS.

They have been caught, numerous times spanning DECADES. You just refuse to acknowledge it and instead, use deception and “alternative facts”.

just stop it.  It’s getting really old.

The American official fired back: “If the gun is smoking, you’ve already been shot. I don’t know why you’re lining up in front of a loaded weapon.”

There you have it. The U.S sent a special delegation of its highest ranking officials specifically to ward countries off Huawei. They even made a tour out of it but when it came to actually putting evidence on the table, for all the bluster and threats, there was nothing to be had. Huawei even had a message for EU governments of its own that the U.S didn't see coming:

"Prism, Prism on the wall. Who’s the most trustworthy of them all?” he said. Guo was referring to a mass U.S. foreign-surveillance operation called Prism that was disclosed by former NSA contractor Snowden. The barb drew laughter from the audience"

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/huawei-usa-campaign/

Perhaps you should have continued reading. I don't rant and as you can see, your post comes over as nothing but that, a rant. Use the 'ignore' button if necessary. If you don't even read what you are replying too your argument is severely weakened.

If you believe Huawei is not a pawn in a trade war I suggest you argue that point. As well as its privacy claims because many big U.S companies have been found wanting when it comes to privacy.

Far from ranting. I provided some extra information that could be very relevant two years from now and as most people agree, the U.S miscalculated in a massive way by dragging Huawei into a trade war and holding a gun to its head to provoke a response from China.

Now, everybody (and I mean literally everybody) has accelerated plans to eliminate future dependency on U.S technology by developing it in-house or acquiring it from (who would have thought? China and of course the EU). Hence the link to South Africa's opinion on Huawei. Don't think the rest of developing Africa and and South America isn't interested either.

I think it is a shame that so many U.S companies will lose billions (they are already bleeding by the million) against their will. They have urged Trump to change course, industry representatives have written to the government, they have declared to special committees, the bigger companies have directly lobbied the government and others have found ways to skirt the ban (much to the anger of U.S hawks).

The Fed has changed policy guidance, many U.S companies have seen their books decimated by losing access to Huawei. Google fears for the worst and has a lot to potentially lose. So much that it even argued that banning Huawei was a national security issue! Incredible.

The worst thing is that Trump is now at odds with his own hawks because he is going to lose out whatever he does.

We can think back and look at his "not on my watch" comments and then look into a future where the U.S loses billions in technology sales, loses world influence as a result and sees superior technologies rise and displace U.S efforts (5G for example) and remember that, while the fallout will take a few years to arrive, the problem actually did begin on his watch.

matrix077 said:

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

wozwoz said:

This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models. 

I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.

Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.

Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?

I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.

What’s your source for this? 

Certainly not Apple.

Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer? 

Of course not! 

What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.

Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.

Here is the original question again:

"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"

To which Rogifan asked for a source.

I gave one.

The off topic point basically ended there, but...

You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.

I asked why the source would be Apple.

You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.

I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.

I think @rogifan question for source is more likely from this sentence of yours
“So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.”

No one will doubt that cheap smart watch could dominate market share :roll eyes:

AppleExposed said:

lorin schultz said:

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

wozwoz said:

This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models. 

I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.

Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.

Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?

I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.

What’s your source for this? 

Certainly not Apple.

Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer? 

Of course not! 

What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.

Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.

Here is the original question again:

"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"

To which Rogifan asked for a source.

I gave one.

The off topic point basically ended there, but...

You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.

I asked why the source would be Apple.

You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.

I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.

"So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations."

Only Apple knows sales numbers. Other companies hide sales numbers. Sometimes Apple will reveal numbers during earnings calls. Apple numbers are official. 

I didn’t understand the point you we’re making, but now I see that’s because you’re answering a question Avon didn’t ask and not answering the one he did. With due respect, I found your argument really difficult to follow. 

I can intentionally be vague sometimes to allow people to think. Here though I thought I was obvious.

Unless I read something wrong, THIS is what I followed:

Ikrupp brought up Apples innovations as being blasted by the media often and mentions Apple Watch design.

Avon of course follows the media and bashes Apple Watch design by saying it has less market share. Therefore not being as great as Apple thinks. He mentions a rumor about Apple thinking of going with a round face due to low sales expectations.

Rogifan asks for a source.

Avon admits he doesn't have one and then links to what seems to be an editorial piece.

The problem with all these rumors about sales is that only Apple knows how much they've sold. He also fails to mention Fitbit which is massively successful compared to android watches and would therefore add to Apples design share. He also fails to mention that tons of companies are selling round faces and comparing them to Apple. This is the same logic people use when claiming "Android sells more" as if it were a single phone manufacturer, pitting 1,000+ companies against Apple for the sake of proving Apple doesn't sell much.

My point: Apple knows the numbers. We don't.

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

wozwoz said:

This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models. 

I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.

Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.

Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?

I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.

What’s your source for this? 

Certainly not Apple.

Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer? 

Of course not! 

What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.

Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

wozwoz said:

This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models. 

I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.

Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.

Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?

I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.

What’s your source for this? 

No source. I simply remembered reading a piece on smartwatches (a couple of months ago) that said Apple had a little under a third of the market.

I didn't bookmark as I don't wear watches so I have little interest in square or round faces.

I'll check my history and see what it brings up.

EDIT: perhaps this:

https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/20/android-smartwatches/

Should I even reply?.....