avon b7

melgross said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

hentaiboy said:

AppleExposed said:

Now with embedded spy chip!

NO THANKS.

yojimbo007 said:

Lol... while the world is absolutely suspect of Huawei’s credibility In the security realm ... they want to sell to the The Biggest Ani-Huawei brand, Apple ...lol

The Brits are happy enough to use Huawei.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-europe-britain/britain-managing-huawei-risks-has-no-evidence-of-spying-official-idUSKCN1Q91PM

That isn't precisely accurate;

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47830056

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/28/hcsec_huawei_oversight_board_savaging_annual_report/

https://technode.com/2019/04/02/discussing-huawei-in-a-chinese-coffee-shop/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-top-huawei-executive-says-not-even-xi-jinping-could-compel-it-to-help/

Why would any liberal democracy trust in a company like Huawei so well entrenched in the CCP.

Buy Samsung, Nokia and Ericsson. 

Do you think anyone trusts anyone else?

Huawei is the top communications backbone infrastructure manufacturer - worldwide.

That's a lot of countries. The only thing that has changed is a campaign by the US government to try a prevent Chinese communications technology leapfrogging US efforts and gaining tech influence.

In a word, protectionism.

Much of the rest of the world is basically saying 'tough luck'. They don't really care about who has telecommunications dominance unless it is them, and it isn't. They care about products and cost.

17 hours ago Donald Trump told the Spanish Prime Minister to ban Huawei. He was swiftly rebuffed and Pedro Sánchez made it clear that that wasn't going to happen.

Huawei is a couple of years ahead of the game in 5G. It would cost governments BILLIONS to change tack on Huawei at such a late stage. And, in spite of repeated requests, no evidence supporting the US claims has ever been provided. Not even to, erm, 'allies' who the US is spying on anyway! We know this for various reasons, not least Edward Snowden.

But that has nothing to do with Huawei anyway. 

That’s very funny.

Funny?

Protectionism:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2019/01/30/the-shameful-persecution-of-huawei-by-americas-protectionist-class/

Technological Lead:

"Petty said that when it came to technology, Huawei "is a long way in front" – with Ericsson in second place and Nokia third."

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/07/vodafone_huawei_ban/

"In spite of tensions with the US and its allies, Huawei is rapidly building a suite of AI offerings unmatched by any other company on the planet"

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612914/chinas-huawei-has-big-ambitions-to-weaken-the-uss-grip-on-ai-leadership/

Cost:

https://www.techradar.com/news/huawei-5g-ban-could-cost-uk-economy-pound68bn

Snowden:

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/26/huawei-the-us-security-accusation-of-our-5g-has-no-evidence-nothing/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26712564

https://www.politico.eu/article/huawei-telecoms-mobile-world-congress-fair-how-huawei-won-barcelona/

Rebuff (Spanish):

https://okdiario.com/economia/trump-pide-espana-que-penalice-huawei-sanchez-lo-rechaza-ser-vital-telefonica-3955188

Funny? This is funny...

nht said:

gatorguy said:

nht said:

gatorguy said:

clarker99 said:

avon b7 said:

Shill

Completely unnecessary. Adds nothing but distraction to the thread. Feel free to disagree but really, name-calling is what it comes down to?  

Says the other shill.

LOL. Actually expected that from someone else but peas and pods are a natural, doesn't matter which pea drops in. Welcome to the thread. 

Maybe there are some Apple zealots that hang out in android forums and if so they would correctly be called shills and trolls.  Just like we call you and Avon shill and troll.

You guys aren’t being “honest”.  You guys are at best trolling and at worst astroturfing.  To be honest, I think Huawei is too smart to pay a tool like Avon.

"honest"? What do you mean?

Telling it like it is, is "honest". Correcting misinformation - and backing it up is "honest". Not buying products if they don't satisfy me is "honest". Presenting balance is "honest".

What is, Insulting, labelling and accusing? - all while offering NOTHING to the discussion. That is what you have done.

If you think Apple is 'delivering' with regards to the competition, say so! If there is something you don't agree with, counter it!

If all you do is come in to throw insults around you simply leave a poor image of yourself and people will take note.

I vote with my wallet and my voice. I refuse, as a long time Apple user, to roll over and pay for products that I consider overpriced and uncompetitive. If you pay, knowing you are being undersold, you do no favours to yourself or other users.

The only way the Apple of today 'reacts', is if you poke them where it hurts. They will react at some point because more and more people are behaving like me - and also voicing their discontent.

Just this morning my wife brought up the subject of a new MBP. She now knows that it won't happen at current prices with the current design and understands the reasons why.

Just one example from the first video (above)

P30 Pro: 128GB, 256GB, 512GB
iPhone Xs Max: 64GB, 256GB, 512GB

Apple should be whipped out of town for their upsell policies but if people roll over and pay that blatant upsell they have no reasonable complaint.

The only way they will look at changing the policy is if people call them out over it and refuse to bite when considering a new phone.

That, and competition producing better phones at better value.

hexclock said:

avon b7 said:

racerhomie3 said:

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

How has Huawei pulled ahead in chassis design?

More than chassis, shell design.

Fashion counts (especially in China) even though phones end up in cases.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to some but one aspect of phones is design and your first contact with one is its design. Like food at a restaurant. It enters through your eyes first. The shell is important.

Last year Huawei took a gamble on gradient finishes and it paid off. The 'Twilight' gradient set a trend that many followed. We can say that 2018 was the year of the gradient in terms of phone shell finish.

However, Huawei has a long history of experimenting with phone finishes.

It releases so many phones a year (Huawei and Honor) that it is easy to test the waters with new ideas and see how they work.

They have been working on layering techniques, nano coatings, ribbing etc. for many years.

This year they have taken the P20 gradients and refined them. I have seen both the Amber Sunrise and Breathing Crystal finishes in person. They are both - stunning. Absolutely beautiful.

This doesn't mean Apple's are ugly. They suffer from being a little 'boring' with regards to what is on offer. The XR took a step in the right direction, though. There is no denying that, but your options of course are limited.

Six colors are limited? Oh please 🙄 give me a break!

Six 'safe' colours and not a gradient in sight. Fashion means trends. If the trend is in gradients, no amount of colours will resolve the problem.

Also, it is six colours on this refresh. Six months. Before that what did you have? The options weren't particularly varied and you had to go back to the plastic matte colours of the 5C before that.

Huawei has brought countless colours and finishes to market over the last few years.

Fashion is hard to nail. Sometimes you get lucky, often you don't. Apple has a tough call as it has to make do with its choices for the entire life of the refresh.

Obviously Huawei has far more room to manoeuvre here.

Honestly, who cares what the shell looks like. The phone is a tool. If you’re the type of person who buys something based on how it looks, that’s fine, but personally I buy something based on how it functions. If the iPhone shell was covered with brown paper, I would still use it. The software makes the iPhone great, not the color of the shell. 

True. However, as I pointed out above, in spite of often ending up in cases, exterior design remains a key driver in the sale. Especially in China.

sflocal said:

avon b7 said:

5G phones will ship in regions with 5G rollout plans. The numbers that are shipped really aren't relevant. The point would be having a phone to choose from although I wouldn't touch the X50 now that the far better X55 is coming soon.

I'm not sure how you can say Samsung is the only Android maker selling in significant volumes.

Qualcomm can create a chip using quantum entanglements for all I care.  Sounds great on paper but it means absolutely nothing in the real world.  There is no network that will be anywhere near ready for mass deployment for at the minimum 2-3 years.  Anyone buying a phone right now because it's "5G-ready" is ignorant and wasting money.  By the time 5G is ready, whatever phone they purchased today will be considered a dinosaur by then.

Are you really believing what you write?

Of course I believe what I write.

Huawei has shipped over 40,000 5G base stations already. They aren't going to sit in boxes for two to three years.

Who knows how many base stations others have sold. And sales are continuing 

You or I might not have 5G for years but some people will have it. Obviously some cities are better candidates than other for early adoption.

I happen to spend five days a week in a smart city. 5G will be picked up relatively quickly at government, scientific and educational levels. 5G infraestructura already exists at many points in Barcelona for those fields.

https://5gbarcelona.org
https://www.zdnet.com/article/mwc-2019-barcelonas-5g-ambulances/

The commercial rollout - nationwide - begins next year. 

Of course YMMV but as I said in the post you quoted, it will depend on whether the area where you live has a rollout plan in place or not.

Sagar said:

avon b7 said:

Sagar said:

I wonder why Intel is even bothering to make a 5G modem chip when their only customer Apple itself is building it.

QC announced that the X50 would ship on 30 phones this year. They then announced the X55 at MWC2019.

Apple is one of many customers.

Clearly you misread my comment. I mentioned Intel, not Qualcomm.

Yes. Sorry. I even quoted your intel reference!

Sorry again.