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After waiting a while and filling out the form again, it offered a 50€ discount. Still far off the promotional offer.

I called the number to the Online Apple Store (after all, the promotion originates from the front page of Apple's web). 

They confirmed the following:

They have no pricing details of the promotion beyond what is announced on the page. They were unable to clear up my doubts.

The promotion itself is limited to physical Apple Retail Stores.

They admit that the online promotional page points to the Brightstar system which is NOT part of the new promotion. This means that if you click through from the Apple home page from the offer, you will NOT get the new discount pricing. This is a terrible situation.

I had to call a physical retail store to get the real info. They have confirmed that I can giveback an iPhone 6 64GB in exchange for an XR 64GB for 729€.

I am about to start a 120KM round trip to see if this info is true.

Being a Saturday afternoon right before Christmas, I expect to wait a long while.

ihatescreennames said:

TheDude121 said:

Again you're missing point ... 'my' brand WASN'T in the test to start with. 

On another note, I love my BMWs and especially my BMW M2. I've compared it to my neighbours' Toyota Camry, Honda Civic and Mercedes-Benz C200. I annihilated them ... My car is far more advanced than any of the competition! 

BMWBlog is congratulationing me and telling me how awesome my car is, but some reason, the real car forums are all like ''wtf" ... But I don't care : I dominated!

It’s you missing your own point. Here we go with that reading comprehension issue again. Maybe try slowing down and starting back at the top. 

As as I mentioned in my very last post (and backed myself up with your very own words), you said it was a test about 3D facial recognition, but that is incorrect. 

I’ll take your lack of finding proof for your claims of things I said as a tacit acknowledgement that I didn’t actually say any of it. Thanks for that. 

His point was very valid. He was also correct when he stated that the test was really comparing a 2D system against a 3D system.

You are being pendantic by claiming article was on facial recognition. Strictly speaking, it was facial recognition but you would have to wilfully ignore the other aspects. The problem was that the phones tested weren't comparable among themselves. Would you agree that the testing was worthless from the outset?

It is like saying I am going to test 'communication' and compare two cans connected by a piece of string and cell phones. Whichever way you look at it, it would be communication but the comparison would be utterly worthless (just like the article is).

The Bloomberg article states very clearly that the Android phones tested use facial recognition as a - convenience - feature.

Now, I am sure many iPhone users without FaceID would love to have access to a 2D facial recognition system (even being well aware of the security limitations involved).

Apple chooses, on behalf of its users, not to provide that option.

Of course, the TheDude121, also quite reasonably questioned why the Android test candidates did not include Android phones with 3D facial recognition. Perhaps the results wouldn't have changed but at least the comparison would have made more sense.

Of course, the real point of interest for Android users is that their 2D facial recognition systems are actually quite robust. If someone has to go to the lengths of getting the users phone and creating a 3D model head, it is well worth the cheaper cost of entry. Moreso when far more expensive iPhones do not have any facial recognition options. No one has ever got into my phone using any of the biometric options available on it. I've asked lots of people to give it a go.

On another note, security is not compromised as 2D systems are not activated for payments etc and users can isolate sensitive data behind a passcode or alternative biometric option.

Many people are implying Apple's luxury brand has no place in India. The article makes it clear that this isn't the case and mentions TC's plans for Apple there. FTA:

"The potential for the emerging market was noted by Apple CEO Tim Cook and other executives, producing a five-year plan to make India the next growth market and to raise annual sales to $5 billion by 2020"

The only problems Apple have had are with direct competition in its premium segment and every tier below it, combined with management issues.

Apple needs to adapt if it wants to reach the goals it set out for itself.

Madtiger said:

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

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Madtiger said:

Oh look Japan is readying to ban Huawei and ZTE over spying concerns. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-06/huawei-bust-signals-the-real-u-s-trade-war-with-china

Spying has little to do with anything. Everybody will try to spy on everyone else, just like they always have. This is about competition.

Nope.  Japan is set to effectively ban government purchases of telecommunications products from China’s Huawei Technologies Co Ltd and ZTE Corp over fears of intelligence leaks and cyber attacks, the Yomiuri newspaper reported on Friday.  In addition, Australia and New Zealand have blocked Huawei from building 5G networks, while Britain’s BT Group said on Wednesday it was removing Huawei’s equipment from the core of its existing 3G and 4G mobile operations.

Over the past couple of years, Huawei has reportedly circumvented sanctions imposed on North Korea and Iran, providing the countries with telecom equipment that can be used for extensive spying on populations, so-called dual use technologies.

Last month, senior German officials said they are planning a last-ditch drive to convince the government to consider excluding Chinese firms such as Huawei from building the country's 5G infrastructure.

"There is serious concern. If it were up to me we would do what the Australians are doing," one official told Reuters news agency.

LOL...more and more countries are now banning Huawei crap.

Fears, not facts.

There are people in the US government that are 'scared' (I'm quoting literally) of Huawei.

The US is pressuring its allies to stop Huawei on the grounds of 'security fears' that have been denied by Huawei and are literally unsupported by any facts.

The irony is that those 'allies' have already caught the NSA spying on them on numerous occasions. 

Security has little to do with reality in this case (Huawei). What the US is trying to do is not be relegated on a technological level and having someone like Huawei running a large part of the world's communications backbone strikes fear into some people.

Based on your “rumor” tree without any actual source?  LOL  

Take a look for yourself:

"Chuck Grassley of Iowa, one of the longest-serving Senate Republicans, says he’s worried about the prospect of American telecommunications companies becoming dependent on a Chinese manufacturer whose motives he finds suspect. “I can’t pronounce their name,” Grassley says, “but it starts with an H and ends with a W-E-I. Whenever they’re involved, it scares the devil out of me.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-03-22/why-america-is-so-scared-of-china-s-biggest-tech-company

"The Journal piece states that the U.S. is so concerned that it is even considering giving countries more financial aid if they avoid Chinese-made telecoms equipment."

http://fortune.com/2018/11/23/us-huawei-espionage/

"While the headlines about the Trump administration’s trade warwith Beijing often focus on raw materials such as steel, aluminium and soyabeans, the underlying motivation of the new protectionist mood is American anxiety about China’s rapidly growing technological prowess."

https://www.ft.com/content/40304bea-7eb9-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

"The NSA did not just tap German chancellor Angela Merkel’s phone but also listened in on finance, economy, agriculture and other ministers"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/02/wikileaks-us-spied-on-angela-merkels-ministers-too-says-german-newspaper

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

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Madtiger said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

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tmay said:

Seth2015 said:

Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

I wonder how much Apple paid for this?

Zero.  Apple is not Android OEMs.  (BTW, DPreview is very authoritative in camera world.)

Don't you then find it interesting that when they run a blind test with 5,000,000+ votes - the iPhone doesn't come anywhere?
And when DXOMark (also a leader in optical tests) does their reviews, the iPhone comes 3 or 4 ?
And that any other review generally ends with the conclusion that although the iPhone is exceptional, it cannot match the Huawei?
Seen the night pictures between the two? They can't even really be compared.

Anyway - it seems really odd that although iPhone hasn't had a winning camera for 2 or 3 years, this crops up. Beating the Pixel is one - but beating the Huawei?

For the record, the XS is currently second behind the Huawei P20 Pro, 109 to 105, at DXOmark. That's not a huge lead by any stretch, and given the limitations of the Huawei in usability, there isn't going to be much, if any, iPhone buyers scurrying off to pick up a Mate 20 Pro. Mostly though, people are a lot less interested in high end camera features simply because the current systems are "good enough".

Obviously, DPReview found that the Mate 20 Pro didn't best the iPhone XS, because the finalists were only the Pixel 3 and the iPhone XS.

Oh btw, a blind, online test isn't really a test of image quality; it's actually a test of viewing conditions, and bias.

I'm not sure what you mean by usability.

The Huawei camera app has always had a full on Pro mode which is often praised by photographers precisely for its usability.

One of the major criticisms of iPhones is the very limited options out of the box. Also, the insistence of the phone to have absolute control of if you can even take a picture or not while in certain modes. The last one I read was regarding the HDR mode. Before that it was low light portrait mode.

The lead of the P20 Pro over the XS at DX0 is quite big. The surprising thing is that Apple's latest, and best iPhones ever, are sitting behind a phone that was released in March.

It's strange that the Mate 20 Pro has not been listed but there is speculation that Huawei is actually holding the results back for marketing reasons. To leave the P20 Pro in the spotlight for as long as possible and maximise sales (the P20 Pro is currently part of a marketing push). The same sources claim that the minute the P20 Pro sees a challenger, Huawei will release the Mate 20 Pro results which are supposedly in the 115 ball park (pure rumours of course but they came out of a huge packet of rumours and all the rest were correct).

comment on DXOMark P20 Pro review from Huawei P20 Pro user:

"I'm a photographer and have to agree with the below comment. This is a terrible cellphone. Bought it and completly regret it. This review doesnt take into consideration a lot of factors. On 40mp, the picture is so slow that it's only reliable for completly static pictures. You also cant zoom on 40mp. The camera also takes forever processing the picture and sometimes the picture isnt taken at all, if yoy move the camera to fast after pressing the shutter. It has a terrible timelapse, and slow motion videos are uselless, they are 5secs videos, you cant make them last longer. Soooooo disapointed, im aelling it and buying note9 a much more reliable phone."

Sounds like some older Nokia's, horrible usability, but you could get good images if you waited around long enough. Few bought them.

DXOMark doesn't test video at 4K, and frankly, DXOMark isn't a standard that I would use to choose any phone.

DPReview has earned its credibility over many years of solid reviews.

I've stated it before, and I'll state it again; there isn't a big market for smartphones with bleeding edge cameras, simply because most everything available is "good enough". Still, Huawei caters to people like you, who don't actually buy the high end devices, but love to proselytize Huawei specs. 

Just differentiation in the Android OS device world.

Don't you find it strange that since its release in March and having sold millions of them, this type of issue hasn't been picked up on en masse. Even with the phone included in untold reviews and used - side by side - with direct competitors?

You should be doubting he is a photographer and doubting he has a P20 Pro.

DX0 Mark is what it is. It is used throughout the smartphone industry and those that can (those that top the leaderboard) use often use it to market phones. Logical.

As has been shown time and time again 4K is rarely a selling point for a phone. How else would the P20 Series have been able to break records for Huawei and then follow through with the Mate 20 series so far off to a record start.

Most people buy phones that have 4K, not because of it.

There is a huge market for cameras with bleeding edge cameras. Millions sold support this idea and the camera IS a major selling point to those who buy them. 4K isn't.

Ask yourself how much time your average user spends recording 4K video and photos. 4K is a bonus for most users, nothing more. Go ahead and ask all your friends and colleagues. It is actually HIGHLY likely that if they are even recording videos they are doing so at non-4K resolution due to storage issues.

Actually, for me, i use 4k30 exclusively.  And i use video MORE than pictures.  I have found that memories of my kids are better captured on video because you're able to visualize the scene/event better thru video.

P20P is selling well within Huawei.  But Huawei got to #2 because it sells a lot of cheap phones!  This is why its ASP is around $200-250...same as Samsung.  Let's not get ahead of ourselves and thinking that P20P sales are even remotely close to iPhones...or even Samsung flagships.

Remember, that newer iPhones have HEVC/HEIF...so, storage is lesser of an issue.  You be surprise at how many people know about 4k.  Think about it.  Look at GoPro or any other camera segment...4k is highly marketed by everyone, from DSLR to GoPro to smartphones.  The fact that you think 4K is some niche thing shows your ignorance.

People buy Go Pro with 4K precisely as a big selling point. People do not do the same with smartphones. Ask your friends and colleagues for their use cases.

LOL...so, now, ONLY smartphone people don't use 4k...got it.  What a fool.

No. 4K is not a selling point for smartphones. It is a feature of many. This is backed up by use and compounded by the fact that even the newest iPhones still default to 1080p. I have never met anyone who actually made a point of even mentioning 4K and video. Now ask your friends and colleagues. How many use 4K video more than the camera?

On the other hand 4K IS a selling point for Go Pro and televisions.

You are so full of shit with your anecdotes. It's like you strive to live in the dark ages.

People shoot 4K 24P on the iPhone XS so that they can record in High Dynamic Range. Why would someone want to shoot in 1080P and give up dynamic range? You can post process to 1080P and get the best of both world's.  Almost certainly a driver for increased storage purchased by iPhone X buyers. Please note that Apple has the acknowledged lead in Color Management in Smartphones, which makes video production superior to anything available for Android OS.

More to the point, it's possible to increase iPhone XS IQ merely by using third party applications, like Halide, that support RAW. Of course, you don't want anyone to be aware of this because "it's not standard".

People interested in photography on smartphones have the option of  applications that can give them better IQ. These same people also have readily available options for add on lenses.


I post the following link so that you can educate yourself on the value of Apple iPhones  in the used market, and the effect they have of increasing ASP in new sales;

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2018/10/22/the-gray-markets-impact-on-iphone-pricing

How many people spend even a short amount of time shooting video on phones?

How many iPhone users even bother to flip the switch to 4K. The default is 1080p. That says it all really.

ASP is irrelevant to consumers.