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A very false narrative: Samsung Galaxy S8 vs Apple's iPhone
Bias isn't a bad thing per se. We all have an element of It. When necessary we can all filter much of that bias out. I've worked in government and know how important it is to gIve everyone the same treatment Iindependently of my own personal opinion or feelings.muthuk_vanalingam said:
I agree with the sentiment that DED articles cannot be considered balanced, but somehow I found this article to be a balanced one. May be, my own biases!!!avon b7 said:
You are posting in thread hanging off a DED article. Balance is not something that springs to mind.minglok50 said:You are citing `the Verge as a credible balanced site...
In this article it's his opinion but as usual soaked in bias. Sometimes I get through them, others I don't. This time I didn't.
I'm not forced to read them.
I think in this article I hit on two unbalanced points and then threw in the towel.
One was the stab at facial recognition. The company tells you you shouldn't use it as a security feature and it won't even allow you to make payments with it. On the other hand they offer you an iris scanner which no iPhone has, and AFAIK at this point, is very secure. Nevertheless it seems ok to take a gratuitous poke at facial recognition because it is 'weak' and just skip the iris scanner, as mentioning that would make the stab less effective.
Of course, to work, you would need some kind of ssocial engineering. You need a photo of the person. The last time I checked, Apple would allow you to not even set a passcode and would definitely accept ultra weak passcode. In that regard, it is just as weak as facial recognition.
The other point was services. The article's sets out the stand very clearly. S8. iPhone. The lead in then just opens the door to everything under the sun because it wants to include historical context (biased of course :-))
But why did it slam Samsung's entire mobile division with that direct non historical comparison to Apple Services? The relevance of Services is very recent and is derived from the entire Apple spectrum, not just iPhone. I didn't see any balance there.
It's true that I just stopped reading anyway so maybe there was some kind of justification elsewhere in the article. Anyway, that's how I saw when I started reading.
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A very false narrative: Samsung Galaxy S8 vs Apple's iPhone
There are different kinds of loyalty.foggyhill said:
Huh, proven, right... Give me a break. They're loyalty is to cheapness, not a brand. Its not because you say crap that's its true buddy.dominosixtyseven said:
It has been proven that Android has a higher loyalty rate, so to think that people will buy an Android device with the thought that they will "upgrade" to apple phone is false and disingenuous.radarthekat said:To those who say Android phones are perfectly fine for the vast majority of users, who use their phone for basic tasks such as texting, FB, web browsing and games, I have to agree, and so does Tim Cook. You'll recall him saying [celebrating] Tnat Android is often the first smartphone for many users, because they are affordable, but that many users graduate to an iPhone, thus Andriod represents something of a smartphone training ground and feeder for the iPhone. I moved to the Philippines 7 months ago and I can tell you I see many old feature phones still being used (It was all about attaining a Nokia back in the day) and among Smartphones its all mid-tier Androids, with Samsung a favorite. But there are several iStores here in Cebu, and more around the country. This Apple reseller presents a store concept modeled closely on Apple stores, with curved glass facades and clean display tables. Very high end, and they sell only Apple products, plus the same small array of Bluetooth speakers and 3rd-party accessories found in an Apple Store back in the states.
And here's what else I can tell you, from the view of the large city spat community I am well plugged into here. When a Filipina has a foreigner boyfriend and the time comes to replace her phone, she invariably requests an iPhone. Gen a used, older generation one will do. They aspire to the I.phone here, and are the envy of their friends if they have one. Gotta think it's not different in other emerging markets. They look ve that iMessage costs them less via data load versus texting load, same with FaceTime versus call load. Load is the term here used to describe pre-paid data, voice, and text costs, each sold separately and in packages. Fact is, around the world, Android is popular because an Android phone can be had for far less than an iPhone. Given the choice,moor the same price, I think I don't personally know anyone who would opt for Android.
Will people switch back and forth absolutely but not in droves as you allude to.
One is what you get from your dog. You could be the worst owner imaginable but your dog will remain loyal to you
Another is when you habitually use the same bar, restaurant, brand of coffee etc.
Another is where you stick with a company or manufacturer because you see it in your best interest.
Another could be because of a mix of all of the above or something completely different.
The OP is right. It is loyalty.
Cheap? Sometimes yes but sometimes no. Android has something for everyone. That includes people who happen to be on low incomes. There are a few more people on low incomes than high incomes.
If you are struggling to pay for your children's clothes, food, college expenses I think you can understand why they remain loyal to the low cost Android and even have a very nice spread to choose from.
If you live in a bubble with a sect mentality and are unable to see or comprehend other options, realities perhaps I can even understand that too.
So, the OP was in fact correct. What he said was true.
As for 'cheapness'. Well, tell me what is 'cheap' about Andoid premium phones? I ask because there are millions of people who buy them, and, Shock! Horror! Remain loyal to them.
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A very false narrative: Samsung Galaxy S8 vs Apple's iPhone
But who?ronn said:
Tons of people said the Android group would take Apple out. It's implied in your earlier post when you wrote Apple's "problem" was Android instead of Samsung.avon b7 said:
Who said they were supposed to take Apple out? Most Android phones compete against other Android phones first.ronn said:saltyzip said:The problem for the iPhone is not Samsung, like appleinsider seems to think, it is Android in general.That's been said so many times over the years and it still isn't true. Nokia. Motorola. Huawei. LG. Samsung. Google's Nexus line, and now its Pixel line. They were all supposed to take out Apple either alone or as a group. Apple is not only still around, but thriving, and looks extremely healthy for the foreseeable future.
Of all Android purchasers, how many do you think say to themselves, 'will I get an iPhone or an Android?'. Most (the vast majority) say to themselves ' Which Android will I get?'
Apple is doing great today. In terms of market share Android is doing greater.
Half of the Android fans that I know -- some of them obnoxious Apple haters -- are now iPhone diehards. I've only owned three Android phones (well four since we recently bought a travel phones to escape snooping by TSA et al), but my next purchase is an iPhone. I'm sick and tired of lagging updates and I want a seamless experience wit my iPad and MacBook.
Apple suffocates the also-rans in terms of profit. It'll gladly let Android have market share. It's horrible business to say "Hey we have tiny margins and/or lost millions, but look at our friggin' marketshare!"
One thing is to leave Apple as a minority player another to take them out.
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A very false narrative: Samsung Galaxy S8 vs Apple's iPhone
Sorry. You shouldn't be labelling people as apologists when you can't possibly know, and the article is a direct stab at an Android phone. The site is Apple based but not Apple exclusive. Something that is patently clear from the title of the article.minglok50 said:
Sorry Saltyzip, but you are an Android apologist on an Apple based site. Samsung S8 phones are relatively the same price as the iPhone so do not use price point as an excuse for your bias.saltyzip said:
IMHO buying a phone has now just come down to personal preference, there isn't much difference between any of them these days, they all do the job asked of them pretty admirably. Like cars, I pick the one I like in my price range, they all get me from a to b and back again at the end of the day. The market has matured so fast I can't justify spending 1000s on a top tiered phone anymore. If more people start thinking like me, it will hurt Apple as they will no longer be able to justify their high prices, but it will be good for consumers. Apple aren't a tag heuer brand, where you have to pay through the nose for exclusivity.ronn said:saltyzip said:The problem for the iPhone is not Samsung, like appleinsider seems to think, it is Android in general.That's been said so many times over the years and it still isn't true. Nokia. Motorola. Huawei. LG. Samsung. Google's Nexus line, and now its Pixel line. They were all supposed to take out Apple either alone or as a group. Apple is not only still around, but thriving, and looks extremely healthy for the foreseeable future.
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A very false narrative: Samsung Galaxy S8 vs Apple's iPhone
Who said they were supposed to take Apple out? Most Android phones compete against other Android phones first.ronn said:saltyzip said:The problem for the iPhone is not Samsung, like appleinsider seems to think, it is Android in general.That's been said so many times over the years and it still isn't true. Nokia. Motorola. Huawei. LG. Samsung. Google's Nexus line, and now its Pixel line. They were all supposed to take out Apple either alone or as a group. Apple is not only still around, but thriving, and looks extremely healthy for the foreseeable future.
Of all Android purchasers, how many do you think say to themselves, 'will I get an iPhone or an Android?'. Most (the vast majority) say to themselves ' Which Android will I get?'
Apple is doing great today. In terms of market share Android is doing greater.
