avon b7

foregoneconclusion said:

LOL...it's always been understood that the SE was under the control of the owners. This isn't some anticompetitive strategy dreamed up by Apple. Per the quote/link below, HCE is considered the more open system so it's a better fit for what the EU claims it's after with the DMA anyway. 

"Prior to HCE, the standard for NFC contactless payments was via the secure element (SE). Traditionally, this gave owners of SE (carriers, device manufacturers, etc.) the power to control access.

Support for HCE has changed this, opening possibilities not just for mobile payments, but also other applications including loyalty programs, transit passes, card access, and other custom systems. Cherian Abraham of Drop Labs points out that breaking the dependency on the SE is advantageous for a few reasons, including:

• more open system that reduces reliance on issuers, carriers and TSMs
• no need for complex SE cards provisioning
• ability to use multiple NFC wallets on the same device without worrying about compartmentalizing or SE storage size"

https://medium.com/@ClrMobile/what-is-hce-c8d8e90ecd9d

exceptionhandler said:

avon b7 said:

exceptionhandler said:

avon b7 said:

Also, never allowing competition to exist in certain areas. Alternative app stores, NFC, being the sole voice on what is and isn't acceptable... 



As for their being nothing in the DMA against Apple imposing a 27% commission on transactions outside its realm, I'd argue that there doesn't need to be, as the whole point was to stimulate competition and Apple taking a cut from everywhere there is app related business going on flies directly in the face of that so I doubt it will pass the sniff test again. 

On the note about alternative app stores, attributes built into the device including but not limited to NFC…

I’m reminded of 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JTCsL26vob4

Apple could go back to a hardware device like the one in launched in 2007, no app stores whatsoever, no NFC. Would they be happy then? The EU, Spotify, Epic, etc wants the bread without having any involvement in the creation of it.  Apple didn’t have to EVER allow 3rd party apps or give them apis for a very low yearly fee of $100.  You want drivers for wifi, Bluetooth, nfc, the screen, apples native gpu, the ML cores, memory management, etc etc etc… you want to run on apples ecosystem, you gotta play by their rules and monetary requirements.

Like Apple has said, they will get their money one way or another. There’s no free lunch. What’s going to happen is the cost to get into iOS development will go up.  You’ll be paying a much higher price for APIs, SDKs, IDEs… maybe a subscription to use them, or maybe charged how much an app accesses them. Other alternatives are Apple may just pull out, or (highly doubt this one) but sell a completely different device with no frills in the EU (think returning to 2007).

I don’t think apples current fees are unfair. I have developed for iOS a few years ago. I still write software, but not for iOS at the moment.

2007 is not 2024 and there is a HUGE difference in market and lifestyle realities. 

Apple got so far without issue (and used that reality to cement that position) precisely because it was small enough to fall under the radar. 

As we move into the digital era and gatekeepers to the digital realm come to the fore, so do regulations and limitations. 

So what if Apple decides to remove NFC altogether? Will the EU mandate that Apple add it back in? Sounds like they are verging on the control of how the device is designed.  That’s EXACTLY what’s happening with it - Apple added it to the device to serve their needs and their customers’ convenience.  Apple doesn’t have to do squat.  They made the bread and the EU had no part in it, but now that it’s made they want to partake.  The EU: “Give it to us or else we’ll force you to give it to us…”

I wish Apple would just stop sales in the EU and move on.  They don’t deserve the iPhone with the rules they are putting in place. They probably won’t due to the cash hit they would take, but seriously, the EU is being worse than a 5 year old child.

ericthehalfbee said:

Data that leaves your iPhone doesn’t mean it’s being “collected” by Apple. The article even mentions services like Continuity that require data to be transferred so devices can work together.

Further, data that leaves your device and goes to Apple doesn’t mean it’s being abused (like used for targeted ads).

There’s also a huge difference between data going to a company like Apple and someone like Meta or Google who make 98/80% of their revenue from targeted ads. They need your data to survive. To Apple your data isn’t even pocket change.

dominikhoffmann said:

This is really disgusting. Yet another way to cheapen the marital act!