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Built in FBI access? Now that would be a differentiator!

Peppyhare said:

The court should throw Tim Cook into jail for contempt of court, and fine apple for refusing to comply with a court order.

Haven't heard of the 14th and 5th Amendments eh? Due process means no "throw Tim Cook into jail". Writs are appealable. 

"AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

"Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensatio"

That due process means Apple gets to respond to and appeal the  magistrate's ruling. No snap of her fingers and Cook is jailed and Apple fined as you want. 

mubaili said:

How about brute force the old password? I am sure Apple has the old passoword's hash somewhere. NSA should be able to crack that it a day or two. 

The Apple ID passcode was changed by the San Bernardino IT people following the fools at the FBI: now the only way in is through the iPhone passcode which is never transmitted to Apple, it stays on the phone. As users of iPhones know there's a ten try and auto-wipe selection. If that's set an FBI brute force password attack and ten failed tries and the phone wipes itself empty. 

Apple le has already turned over all the data saved to the phone's iCloud account. This is a fishing trip to see if there's anything else on the phone. Low to zero odds since the terrorists crushed their two personal phones and didn't bother with this work one. Probably leaving it for work expecting the county IT people to have easy access. 

Peppyhare said:

The court should throw Tim Cook into jail for contempt of court, and fine apple for refusing to comply with a court order.

OR allow actual rule of law to proceed per, well, The United States Constitution. But sure, throw the FBI fools in jail who obstructed the case by directing San Bernardino mess with the iPhone account and lock everyone out. 

A magistrate's writ is appealable. Pesky legal system. 

"In the government’s Friday filing,  the Justice Department acknowledged that the password was re-set in the hours after the attack by authorities with San Bernardino County. The county owned the phone and provided it to Farook for work."

USA. Today