boltsfan17

AppleZulu said:

jeffythequick said:

sflocal said:

We had one a-hole coworker here that died a couple weeks ago.  She was anti-vaccine.  Now, I couldn't care less that COVID is thinning the herd of these Darwin-award winners, but the prior week before she died she was at the office, without a care in the world.  Her ignorant, stupid, selfish decision that it was "my body, my choice" affected others in her department.  We had to shut down the entire department she worked in, which was a vital, production department and all the employees had to quarantine because of it.

Your "freedom" to take the vaccine or not stops when your selfish decision affects other people.  I have quite a few fully-vaccinated friends that got hit with the delta-variant and one got hit hard.  It's because of these selfish a-holes that refuse to get vaccinated is why we're still dealing with it.

I hope Apple and other companies fire any able-bodied anti-vaxxer.  Unless you have a bonafide, actual medical reason signed off by an actual, science-based doctor excusing you from the vaccine, consider yourself unemployed.

I'm so fed up with these people.  These anti-vaxxers honestly should pay all the health-care costs of their hospitalization, or be denied hospital treatment altogether.  What an embarrassment.

OK, so your coworker died and you had to shut down the entire department and stay home.  Actions/consequences, I guess.

Next up, the whole "anti-vaxxer" vs. "pro-vaxxers" both got sick.  Kind of negates your first argument.  From the way you word your argument, it looks like there are two different groups of people.  From your testimony, caccinated people get sick too, and if they did something that you don't agree with (like helping those that are sick with COVID), should they die too?

Finally, denying hospital treatment... there was a series of MTV movies entitled as another name for a donkey, and since they're doing what society calls idiotic things, do they get denied in the emergency room as well?

Your illogic boils down to, "I don't like what you do, and you should die after being fired."  Maybe a job in selling greeting cards is in the offing.

Lastly, and this is a story about a less toxic subject:  A high risk pregnancy (and I think we can all agree on the outcome, so please read, and I am treading lightly on this):

My sister in law had a high risk pregnancy, where the placenta attached near the Fallopian tubes, and when discovered, she was advised to terminate the pregnancy.  She and her husband decided not to, and that required her to be flown from Montana to Seattle to be checked in to UW Hospital.  She was continually advised to terminate the pregnancy, as if things ruptured, she would bleed out in 2 minutes.  She had a port put in her arm as a precaution.  When asked the final time, she said, "Listen, I want you to stop asking me about terminating the pregnancy.  You will get one of two outcomes.  The first is that I'll die, and you can use my body to figure out what went wrong, and the second is that we'll have the baby, and you can use everything you've learned to help others in this condition."  She had a C-Section at 30 weeks (2 weeks later), as well as a hysterectomy (too much damage to her uterus).

My niece, who I saw last week is a 7 year old bundle of love, her mother is doing well, and UW has a wealth of knowledge of how to handle women who have high risk pregnancies of this type.

The point of this story is that life is complex, and there are a number of things that are not known by the spectating (and commenting) crowd, and flushing a whole group of people down the drain because you don't agree with them is a bit, well, harsh.  Remember:  what ever you do, at least 90% of the people in the world will find fault.

I am tired of this BS of either woeful or willful ignorance. Probabilities are real. Everything is not 50/50 he-said-she-said. The vaccine is not a magic video game armor that makes people 100% assured of protection. It significantly increases the probability of protection. The idiots refusing vaccination have a much higher probability of infection and are rapidly becoming prolific disease vectors, catching Delta Covid in large numbers and greatly increasing the likelihood that even the vaccinated people around them will become exposed. Some of those exposed vaccinated people will get the virus, though far fewer than those who are not vaccinated. Some of those will also get sick, but vastly fewer than those who were unvaccinated. A few will even die, but astronomically fewer than those who are not vaccinated.

Pretending that getting vaccinated makes no difference because some vaccinated people also get it is being ignorant of probabilities and is just profoundly dumb. If everyone who was eligible got the vaccine, transmission rates of even the Delta variant would be much, much lower right now, to the point it likely wouldn't even be much discussed. Instead, people jacked up on their politics are ignoring probabilities, dismissing incontrovertible medical evidence, refusing vaccines backed by all that, but taking horse dewormer after they get sick because somebody on the internet said it works. People are dying in large numbers because of all this. I am tired of catering to the willfully ignorant, worrying that being too harsh will put them off. The hell with that. Act like a responsible adult member of civilization and get the damn vaccine.

22july2013 said:

I want the Galaxy Watch 4 to be great and affordable. It seems to be those things. But their website doesn't even talk about the features that are important to me, like privacy. Does my health data ever leave my watch? Where is my health data stored? In Korea? North or South Korea?

GeorgeBMac said:

boltsfan17 said:

waveparticle said:

The virus is NOT leaked from the Wuhan lab. The chief scientist in the lab has records of all viruses in the lab. After covid-19 broke out, she compared it to all the viruses in the lab and found no match. 

And you believe that? There is a ton of circumstantial evidence that points to this leaking from the lab in Wuhan. China hasn't been very transparent with anyone trying to research the origins of the virus. The last thing I would do is believe a Chinese government scientist. Look up the gain-of-function research experiments they were doing in the Wuhan lab with bat coronaviruses. The original theory of this starting in the wet market in Wuhan has already turned out to be wrong. All the animals tested in the Wuhan market came back negative for covid. Until more evidence surfaces to say otherwise, everything points to covid leaking from the Wuhan lab. 

No, there is no evidence that it originated in the Wuhan lab.  That evidence consists of circumstantial speculation that it COULD HAVE, not that it did.  To the purveyors of anti-China propaganda, it is up to China to prove that it didn't simply because they have already pronounced China guilty by means of politicized rhetoric.

Like wise there is now a petition with 25 million signatures to look at Ft Detrick because it COULD HAVE originated there just as easily.

Should we have to prove that it didn't -- because somebody speculated that it did?  Perhaps a WHO inspection and investigation?

And, why would you believe right wing propagandists who we KNOW are prolific liars and dealers in disinformation over the WHO and the Chinese government?  Oh yeh, we believe Q over facts, evidence and science.

waveparticle said:

The virus is NOT leaked from the Wuhan lab. The chief scientist in the lab has records of all viruses in the lab. After covid-19 broke out, she compared it to all the viruses in the lab and found no match.