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Apple's new M1 graphics work makes resolution shifts instantaneous
I get the exact opposite feeling. You people think there's some sort of magic involved in all of this when it's a tightly coupled control of hardware and software they don't give access to third parties. Also, this 12 years in development product has gone through dozens of revisions in-house none of you seem to think took the time it took to reach this point.MisterKit said:I am getting the feeling that Apple just pulled a few years ahead of the competition. These Macs are beasts and they will only get better. 2021 should be an interesting year.
Nothing Apple has done is ahead of the competition.
The biggest surprise in this industry has always been Microsoft's refusal to develop their own CPUs along with their OS, Apps and Development Tools. They would rather be the software to everyone's hardware long after Bill has retired.2021 will see a lot of augmentation in AMD first and later Intel. What I know personally from friends at Intel is they're in a huge shake up and the fact they sat on their ass for the better part of the past decade is the largest case of hubris since IBM's glory days.
Apple has a long road ahead for a fully scalable architecture to be at the level of a Mac Pro and they know it. They are years away from it. The problem is the rest of the industry is also making the transition to FPGAs and more integrated specialty cores. Apple isn't unique in this at all.
For instance, within a month of announcing the merger of Xilinx with AMD they have already released a beta of Xilinx's FPGA hardware accessible within post ROCm 4.0 released this past month and native kernel support in Linux for Xilinx FPGAs out of the box.
That tells me the merger and development has been in the works for the past 18-24 months.
None of you seem to have a clue that Intel is not Apple's benchmark for the future. It's AMD and it's never going to match them. Apple has no plans of matching them either. They are focused on disposable/recyclable consumer products on a 12-18 months refresh.
The Macbook Air/Macbook Semi-Pro 13 neither are upgradable and are their first forays into disposable and future leased hardware. It's a disgusting future that they believe like the Subscription Model of Software the world will just fall in line. They'll expand their profit margins which is great for my stock portfolio but they are abandoning a lot of their potential in other markets that require much more power intensive computation requirements and thus professional level products.
On the plus side, I see the M series eventually becoming products integrated into EVs.
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Apple VPs talk new M1 Mac development, Intel relationship, and more
The following Security expert released this yesterday and it bothers me more than greatly.wizard69 said:
It still isn't clear to me that the Air will give up too much for what I might want it for. For one thing I'm thinking the Air is a better solution than an iPad for travel, that mainly because of the keyboard. On the other hand iPad has GPS and cell communications built in. I may have to wait a bit longer.jdb8167 said:
We guessed but it is nice to get confirmation. For example, this clarified to me that even though I love the Air’s form factor, I’m unwilling to give up a lot of performance to get it. Given that the chips are the same silicon, it was unclear how different the speed was between the Pro and the Air. Now there is little doubt that the Pro will seriously out perform the Air. To the point that it might even look like a different CPU. No doubt now that I’m buying the Pro.frantisek said:Interesting to hear them but was there any real new information that we did not know or guessed?This video was extremely helpful to me. I could have guessed this information but having it spelled out is much better.
https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/
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Apple Silicon M1 Macs do not support eGPUs
Every computer vendor in the world supports PCI. the M1 for sure has PCI or it would be Dead on Arrival. PCIe is the defacto standard that DDR memory runs over. The ignorance of some who called this Intel's PCI standard is sad in the year 2020.22july2013 said:
I concur with most of your post, although using the logic in your first paragraph we should not have been expecting Thunderbolt support, since Thunderbolt up until now "would only function with Intel chipsets." Somehow Apple managed to make Thunderbolt (v3) work, and (perhaps) they could have managed the same with PCI. Especially since the PCI standard is no longer managed by Intel but by PCI-SIG which has 800 members, but the primary members seem to be: Agilent, AMD, Dell, HP, Intel, Synopsys, NVIDIA, and Qualcomm. I don't see Apple in there.David H Dennis said:I will admit to not knowing too much about this, but my impression was that eGPUs were connected to Intel’s PCI standard, and therefore would only function with Intel chipsets. So of course Apple Silicon would not support EGPUs.
If I understood the keynote correctly, it seemed like the Apple CPUs and graphics chips were designed to work directly together, cutting the overhead of external chipsets and therefore much faster and more efficient. This means you are counting on Apple’s graphics engineers as your sole source for graphics developments.
I was expecting to see a 16” MacBook Pro after the 13” MacBook Pro. So I was disappointed that didn’t happen. But the logical conclusion is that the larger MacBook Pro systems are going to be considerably faster than the lesser models and therefore very much worth looking at. I think we should pass judgement on Apple’s solutions here when the larger machine is introduced and benchmarked.
However, I’m tempted to buy a 13” MacBook Pro just so I can say I have it and am on the cutting edge ... just the typical programmer’s ego I’m afraid.
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Apple Silicon M1 Macs do not support eGPUs
They abandon their pro lines they might as well stop selling Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro X, because the entire creating markets will abandon them.elijahg said:I suspect the desktops will have a different CPU (M2? D1?) than the laptops. Presumably some iteration eventually will end up in the Mac Pro, with PCIe support, and with it PCIe GPUs. Either that or Apple will just abandon the iMac Pro and Mac Pro, I wouldn't be hugely surprised.
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Apple Silicon M1 Macs do not support eGPUs
Most people are ignorant of how powerful GPUs are.mazda 3s said:
Huh? Apple said the onboard GPU in M1 is good for 2.3 TFLOPs. Intel Iris Xe in Tiger Lake is 2.1 TFLOPs. Radeon RX 590 is 7.1 TFLOPsMike Wuerthele said:
Given the (limited) data that we have now for performance, the integrated GPU in Apple Silicon with eight GPU cores is about the same as a RX 590.curtis hannah said:
Well one of the main concerns was for most MacBooks, anything close to high end AMD GPUs wasn’t an option, we’ll just have to see how these perform to see if an eGPU option is really necessary (again, most pro users would save the eGPUs for the MacBook Pro or iMac or something that’s not today’s introduced Macs, so it’s a low bar).22july2013 said:Maybe it was just an embarrassment to Apple to support external GPUs that had slower speeds than their internal one.
The new Radeon RX 6800 for instance:
