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flydog said:

M68000 said:

techsavvy said:

Sounds like some whining babies. Why is AppleInsider even reporting on this? It is an insignificant story. Poor journalism.

I disagree,  it’s actually a very interesting and timely story.   The morale at a company affects quality and employee turnover.  I side with Apple that they should go back to the office,  if Apple is indeed offering some  hybrid option it is more than generous.  Regarding the comments about the employee with ADA requirements,  that is troubling if they are not treated correctly.  Possible lawsuit waiting to happen.

When 10 people out of a workforce of over 150,000 threaten to quit because they can’t work from home it’s not evidence of any “morale” or “quality” issues.  

And there is no “ADA requirement” that states someone can automatically work from home. What the ADA requires is for employers to make reasonable accommodations. I find it hard to believe that someone has a disability that Apple, a $2.5 trillion company, can’t accommodate at its $5 billion building. 

This so-called article provides no information about what disability Apple allegedly can’t or won’t accommodate, nor does it identify what department these people work in. All 10 could be janitorial staff as far as we know. 

This is a story about nothing. 

You, not being in these workers’ places, don’t have all the information necessary to make these declarations.

I’ve worked in toxic places and been that one person who stands up and says “no, wait a minute”. Being a singular example does not mean there was only one example of discontent. I was one of many, but I was the only one in that case who was daring enough to speak
up. Of course I was driven out, but that speaks only to the extreme power disparity between employer and employee and NOTHING about what the overall working environment is like.

That there are even TEN people willing to stand firm suggests to me that they’re either in a good position to gamble with losing, or that there is a LOT MORE discontent than those willing to stand up and be noticed.

genovelle said:

M68000 said:

techsavvy said:

Sounds like some whining babies. Why is AppleInsider even reporting on this? It is an insignificant story. Poor journalism.

I disagree,  it’s actually a very interesting and timely story.   The morale at a company affects quality and employee turnover.  I side with Apple that they should go back to the office,  if Apple is indeed offering some  hybrid option it is more than generous.  Regarding the comments about the employee with ADA requirements,  that is troubling if they are not treated correctly.  Possible lawsuit waiting to happen.

The law does not allow for accommodations without medical documentation. Even Universities require the same for grade exceptions. 

Medical documentation is for the government agencies, NOT the employers. The details of the disability aren’t necessary for the employers to know. They only need to know that which is relevant to determining job function capacity.

Also: the claim of the corporate culture being one of interaction and accidental connections is pretty disingenuous when it’s been repeatedly brought to light that Apple’s internal efficacy suffers from obsessive security and silo-ing of projects and teams.

The anti-worker hostility shown here is callous, presumptuous, and generally appalling. None of you have any idea what any of these employees’ lives are like.

The reason Apple wants to force every worker into being on site for a certain percentage of time probably has a lot more to do with making sure their insanely expensive building/campus isn’t sitting empty, because that would be embarrassing for a company that cares a lot about their image.

It’s been noted that people don’t like working there. Open floor plans and glass walls/doors suck for actual humans and productivity. The main building is like the Powermac G4 cube and the trashcan Mac Pro: all form; poorly-considered function.

Then there’s the basic fact that the 40-hour workweek and officespace culture is just plain unhealthy.

Instead of being bitter about what you see as “entitled” employees who should get shit on just the same as you do, maybe think about trying to raise the bar for EVERYONE (which includes yourselves). Stop licking the corporate boot and acting like you’re living vicariously through the boot wearers.

fumi said:

Lots of woke Snowflakes at Apple and all these tech companies. They need to see what other people have to endure to make a living.

FFS, stop throwing around the word “woke” when it has absolutely no contextual relevance (or meaning) to the subject matter.