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Why is anyone surprised they are trying another run at this story. Journalist today think they can say anything they like and use "anonymous" source to back up their false claims and knowing there will be no downside for their misleading information. They think they are smarter than anyone else and no will fact check them since they write so well.

GeorgeBMac said:

marktime said:

That’s a lot of damage and a lot of rioters at a pretty new plant. Would so many newly-hired workers really trash their workplace rather than just go on strike. I’m thinking that Wistron, as a recent entrant in India, forgot to pay off someone who then arranged for the traditional “nice plant you got there, would be a shame if something happened to it” demonstration.

Strike?   Here is what strikes used to look like in the U.S.

India and others have not yet had a Roosevelt stand up for workers yet.   As in other strikes of this era, this one was settled by government troops forcing workers back to work.  In this case, the governor sent his state militia to occupy the entire town.   They bivouac'd on the hillside overlooking the town with Carnegie's Steel mill down at the bottom on the banks of the Monongahela River

As a side note for environmentalists:   Notice in the photo you cannot see the hillside on the other side of the river.   That's what Pittsburgh was like back then.  Charles Dickens described it as "Hell with the lid off".

I will put this in perspective for people, I grew up in Pittsburgh and our home was between two steel mills and the railroad yard for the mills. We were surrounded on 3 sides by industry. Our home was less than 1/2 mile from the Allegheny river and it was brown mess and one year we had water in our basement from the river flooding. The night skies were not black they were red from the light of the blast furnaces, there was no need for street lights. I do not remember ever seeing the blue ski during the day. It was never quite, all you heard roar of furnaces and the trains in the rail road yard going back and forth with rail cars banging into one another. If you look around the area you never saw trees or anything really green, except the yard next to our house which was a horse and buggy barn from the 1800's to the early 1920's, there was 100 yrs of horse shit in the ground, if you dug down 2 feet the soil was solid black and everything grew in that yard in spite how bad everything else was. Part of the reason there were no tree is due to the fact people cut them down to heat their homes or burned coal.

Today Pittsburgh recovered, it actually recovered over a period of about 20+ years from the 1970 to through the 1990's, grant it most of the mills were dead or dying during this time, prior to this mills cleaned up their operations through the 1950's and 1960's, but eventual everything started to clean up on its own, nature has a way to taking care of itself. Today the Monongahela River is considered some of the best Bass fishing in the state. All the environmentalist said the river would be dead for 100 yrs after the last mill closed, as usual they were wrong. One of the mills next to our home is now the home of the CMU Robotic center. As side affect of living next to steel mills as child I learned to can sleep through anything, do not need to be in dark room to fall asleep and can fall asleep at a rock concert. In spite of living next to dirty mills most of my dad's life he lived to 89 and my mom is still alive at 85. My grandfather worked in one of those mills shoving coal into a coke oven, did that and other jobs in the mill for 30 yrs. One of the things that help clean up the city was the fact Pittsburgh was the site of one of very first Nuclear power plants which allowed the mills to use Nuclear Electricity to melt steel verse burning more coal to generate power. 

People forget Pittsburgh helped build the US, and most people live very comfortably today because of all the people who worked very hard in those mills and lived in Pittsburgh. There were always labor disputes even though the 1970's and I do not remember any one in the US coming to the defense of the workers in Pittsburgh. I find it very hypocritical of people who to come to the defense of workers in other countries when they were not willing to stand up for their own neighbors. You only have time to worry about what is happening in another country because your life is easy today due to all the people who came before you to build what you are currently benefitting from. Just look what happened in Calif and the Independent Contractor law, they voted to allow Uber and similar companies continue hiring independent contractors. Why did Californians vote down the law, otherwise it meant they would have to pay more for their Uber ride and Door Dash delivery, or those services would go away. These are the same people who claim to be worry about these worker in Asian and India in reality they do not care about how other people are treated especial when it will cost them more to really care. 

BTW, all the money Carnegie made still operates the free libraries in Pittsburgh (which I use to love going to), provide Scholarships to CMU for students who can not afford it (which I attempted to attend and get), pays for the performing arts in NYC (and I seen a fair share of) and the list goes on. Do not forget if it was not for the steel, oil and gas industries in the US the US would be a completely different place it may look like India today. Be thank for the people that came before you that lead to the life you have.

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alanh said:

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marsorry said:

Unbelievable, happens to the best of them I suppose. Wouldn’t it have been cheaper and safer to just get a permit???

They weren't trying to avoid the fees. California is a "may issue" state. The legislature left it up to the local Sheriff or Chief of Police to decide who does or doesn't get one. The majority of Californians are denied this basic right that the majority of the rest of the country enjoy. 

When I had mine, I paid nearly $500 (to cover the 16-hour class, range time, and the permit fees). I paid $250 every other year to renew. In WA state, I paid $50 for a 5-year permit. And unless you have a criminal record, you cannot be denied a permit. 

Wow, for us Europeans it's very difficult to understand the mindset that sees carrying a concealed weapon a 'basic right'!  You certainly live in a different world to us! So happy not to be in that world.

First, most people in the US left Europe for a reason, they wanted to get away from the repression and being told what to do by the government, the fact you lack the understanding of our rights is no surprise. The only thing I do not understand are those who leave and come to the US and want to change the US to what they left. The US welcomes everyone, just leave bad ideas from which you come.

FYI, concealed carry is not a basis right, there are lots of reason to have conceal carry and why there has been some controls placed on it and may not automatically get it. Most of the US has what is known as open carry, meaning any person is allow to have weapon on their person as long as it is visible to everyone, with some limits. This way someone looking for trouble may avoid a situation if they see someone carrying. Does not always work, but it is a deterrent. Conceal carry is not a deterrent so it has a higher level of responsibility to the person carrying. 

saarek said:

About bloody time too. The carriers should never have been allowed to lock the phones in the first place!

They locked them becaused they amortized the cost of the phone over period of years, did you really think you were getting that phone for free or at discount.

Notice BT is one of last carrier still licking phone that is government backed carrier. BY does not want people just walking away.

Not sure I totally believe all of this story. Since my understand about the glass for the spaceship came from a German company which is the only company who had technology to make plate glass that large which also had a curve to it. I highly doubt that he put the German company in a room and pit them against a Asian company.

I work in enough tech companies and the supply chain people like the believe they control the relationship with the suppliers, when in reality it is the design teams who design in a part. Many times if the design need to meet a spec and only one company has technology to make that happen then the supply chain people can yell and scream all they want at suppliers but very little changes.

The how Qualcomm thing is more complicated than holding royalty payments. There was no way Apple was selling a phone to Verizon with a Qualcomm modem CDMA is owned by Qualcomm. Keep in mind this all started because Apple reveal to the Korean government how Qualcomm royalties works and Qualcomm retaliated which then lead Apple to hold back all the royalty payments since they learn from the Korean case that Qualcomm was double dipping.

Lastly putting everyone in different rooms and running around and until someone gives in only works for items which are truly a commodity. So they can do this with resistors and batteries but that not doing that with chips which only one supplier has the solution. I suspect this happen more with the like of Foxconn and its competitors. By the way this is consider an old school tactic, today it better to negotiate by knowing all the cost drivers and figuring out if the company if operating at the high efficiency.  Because you do not want to do business with a company who does not understand their costs because they could disappear one day and your product is shut down.