beautyspin

n2itivguy said:

beautyspin said:

Marvin said:

crowley said:

Marvin said:

If the courts allowed every patent owner to do the same, the costs would eventually amount to far more than the cost of the entire product, which makes no sense.

Why not?  IP certainly has value, I don't see why it makes no sense for it to have more value than the assembly cost of the physical product.  For a technology product that's a composite of so many hardware and software elements and operating in an integrated network of assorted standards, the iPhone is very exposed to patents.  They'll just have to raise the price to accommodate the licensing.

Going forward they can raise the prices but not in retrospect. To allow a single company with a couple of patents to wipe out nearly all of a company's net profit in a region for a decade is crazy. There should be a time limit applied at least in retrospect such as no royalties 5 years or more back, 20% royalties 4 years back, 40% 3, 60% 2, 80% 1 and 100% going forward and they can decide if they agree to the terms.

Making a company pay full royalty rates they didn't agree to and didn't apply to their products at the time of sale is not a fair policy. An established business could operate for decades and some random patent troll emerges and bankrupts the company overnight over some trivial patents. One of their patents is for switching between 3G/4G and the slow 2G network and covers some basic algorithm to determine when to switch. That's not worth $7b and no company would agree to pay those rates, which is why Intel and Qualcomm didn't. Apple shouldn't then have to cover this when they only used chips made by those other companies.

Patent infringement should be applied to the companies who make the infringing components, that's Intel and Qualcomm in this case and patent owners shouldn't be allowed to apply their own made-up royalty rates retroactively that weren't agreed to by the infringing companies. What's to stop them saying $20 per device and then it's over $35b, that's a completely unworkable way to do business.

They infringed on patents that too not trivial design patents but necessary technological patents, they are paying the price. It is not only Apple that does research, every other company does it too and it costs them money. Using those technologies without paying licensing fees is thievary, whichever way you look at it. It wanted $40 dollars for five frivolous patents. https://www.slashgear.com/apple-demands-sky-high-samsung-patent-licensing-fee-11320242/. The five patents in question concern certain features around how unified search operates, slide-to-unlock, how phone numbers can be dialed by pressing them, auto-complete, and data sync. They got it coming. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and they want to run away. Lol!

Again: NOT proven, and _Apple didn’t make the technology that’s being stated as being infringing on the said patents_. Just… smh. 

Hey, you — kid using that graphing calculator! Yeah, you owe me xx$₽¥€ because the one diode in there you had absolutely nothing to do with making, manufacturing and such (accusatory and not yet proven) infringes on something I didn’t have anything to do with either, but somehow was able to buy a (possibly generically written) patent we can now claim is ours. And for extra bullying, what you owe is all only calculated in an assumed/made up today’s amounts vs yester-year’s amounts applicable to any fees that may’ve been owed back then and appropriately adjusted through to present. Plus, all your life years are belong to us! Nyah! /s

n2itivguy said:

beautyspin said:

Beats said:

mcdave said:

The may have to leave the UK market to set an example and cool the current wave of attacks. What would be the cost of not leaving?

I don’t know. Everyone on forums seem to agree that Apple should leave every country that attacks them. Seems like a good plan!
/s

The cost of not leaving? Not sure what you mean but leaving means it leaves the market open for knockoffs and patent thieves like Huawei and Samsung to take over the market Apple spend decades and billions of dollars inventing.

Samsung and Huawei are knockoffs and patent thieves? The case clearly proves who the patent thief is. Are you being sarcastic? Apple is literally being tried for infringing on patents, and that too not cosmetic patents like rounded edges. Would definitely like to see Apple pull out of UK. 

The case hasn’t proven anything, making everything else you’ve stated worthless not even consider. How hard is it to see that Apple isn’t the infringer if the products that infringed _weren’t even made by them and are products used in many, many, MANY other products? I mean, should a patent troll sue _you_ for using an iPhone or Android device that has the same technology in it because you’re now somehow infringing on the patent?! 🙄 Stinkin’ use your head here. A child could, should and would see how stupid this patent troll garbage is. 

Beats said:

mcdave said:

The may have to leave the UK market to set an example and cool the current wave of attacks. What would be the cost of not leaving?

I don’t know. Everyone on forums seem to agree that Apple should leave every country that attacks them. Seems like a good plan!
/s

The cost of not leaving? Not sure what you mean but leaving means it leaves the market open for knockoffs and patent thieves like Huawei and Samsung to take over the market Apple spend decades and billions of dollars inventing.