altivec88

volcan said:

99.99999999% of Apple customers do not read this forum, read Wall Street analysts opinions on technology or even know a tenth of what their iPhone or Mac is capable of. Apple knows a lot more about their customers and than the armchair experts on these forums.

I'm just thankful that my Apple products last for a long time and especially the Macs which provide me with a very nice six figure income doing design and publishing. I have nothing to complain about.

I never use to complain about anything either and was quite happy trucking along too.  Most people won't see it or care to see it until it affects them directly.  I'm not sure which machine you use to do your design and publishing, but if its a MacPro and you need to replace it because your MacPro dies tomorrow, you will quickly learn that a new one is severely over priced and 3+ years out of date compared to what the competition is selling.   At that time, we will welcome you with open arms to the ever growing Armchair CEO forum, so that you can gripe like the rest of us.

flaneur said:

altivec88 said:

flaneur said:

altivec88 said:

flaneur said:

altivec88 said:

I"m not even caring that they have failed to innovate.   They can't even keep their current products remotely up to date.  3+ year old MacPro's are unacceptable.  The seamless Mac eco-system is being fragmented and destroyed by the cancelation of key products (Monitors, routers).   Apple monitors are pure source of advertising for a company.  Going into an office and seeing all those lit Apple logo's was fantastic mind share.  Now we get to see plastic LG monitors and have no clue whats running them.  But hey, Apple will only make a hundred million on monitors instead of a 100 billion, so it needs to be axed.

They have been switching to USB-C for over a year now and yet only 2 models have them.   How am I suppose to buy USB-C peripherals for my company when our MacPro's, iMacs... etc can't use them.   The "Hello" event should have a been a complete transition day for all of Apple's desktops, laptops, iphones, and iPads over to USB-C.  That's how you transition.  I guess, Tim and company really have replaced their computers with iPads because they have no clue how their decisions are affecting people in the real world.

You are ignorant of any material reasons for Apple's moves. Example: tell us where Apple would get an extra 3 million or so 27" IGZO-backed  LCD screens to supply a new line of Cinema Displays. You can't tell us. Ergo, you are full of . . . hot air.

LOL... I am ignorant because you believe that Apple is not capable of getting 3 million display panels?  So they are able to source out hundreds of millions of iPhone displays but Apple doesn't have enough clout or money to contract out 3 million 27" panels.     Yah... I'm the ignorant one.

Am I also ignorant on the 3+ year old MacPro's?   How will Apple be able to source out the Xeon E5's that have been updated two times and the countless new graphics cards that are out?   How will they be able to source out enough USB-C ports for the MacPro.  I know its crazy for me to think that they are capable of getting these parts.

Even more ignorant than I thought. IPhone screens are LTPS based, not IGZO. Entirely different technology, different sources.

Wow.  give it up dude.  You obviously seem to have trouble comprehending dialog.   The point was not to compare an iPhone screen to a 27" panel, it was that Apple is big enough to get what ever they need.   BTW my ignorance is getting in the way of knowing what kind of panel goes in those 5k iMacs they're currently selling and how in the world were they able to obtain them.   Man, there is absolutely no way they can stick those same panels in a iMac frame with out the computer.   The sheer demand of these monitors would bring Apple to its knees and then they would have to stop making iPhones because they would have to spend all their time begging manufactures to make 27" panels instead.  They also won't be able to update their iMacs in a timely fashion.  Oh wait.  I finally got it.   The desktops can't be updated because Apple must secretly hoard enough 27" IGZO panels for them to release new iMacs.  Well, thank God they cancelled the monitor then.

It really takes a big man to go on the internet and make personal attacks on people.

You cavil at Apple out of ignorance, adding to the perceptual problem under discussion, you get a personal atrack from me. You assume that Apple can get all the IGZO monitors they need for monitors and just crank them out. Show us that LG, the only supplier at present, can do so.

It's got nothing to do with phones. It's got to do with LG. Show us. The basic problem is that you guys are trying to say you know how Apple should run its business, and are willing to prognosticate decline and doom on it, and you don't know shit. I and m  any others get tired of this constant negative armchair CEO-ing. If you know something about display technology and LG's production, fine. But you don't. Don't assume you know enough to add to Apple's perceived problems.

I have been able to provide you with fact that Apple is able to obtain 27" IGZO panels as they are what they use in their iMacs.  Fact 2, Monitors are not a high demand product so in no way would it constrain iMacs at this time especially that they were able to provide iMacs at peak introduction rates.   Fact 3, Releasing a TB3 monitor would only allow it to work on two current models at this time further reducing demand.  Fact 4, Apple teamed up with LG to sell monitors.  So if LG is able to make enough panels for this purpose, that means there are enough panels in existence for this purpose.  Fact 5, I've never seen Apple shy away from the problem of too much demand for something.  They just make you wait.

So.  I've offered you five facts to counter your reason that I'm ignorant because Apple is not able to get enough 27" IGZO panels to make a cinema display yet you have not provided me with anything other than insults.  You don't have to agree with my opinion but to start name calling and personal attacks because you disagree just shows off your character.  You feel your personal attacks are justified because you are tired of arm-chair CEOing on a public forum with a topic about Apple being mis-managed.  All I can say to that is Wow.

macplusplus said:

Anyway, let's go back to the article, or to the analyst's memo. Since no one has cared about it, we've dived into many different deeper issues. What the analyst says is very simple: "Apple lacks the courage to lead the next generation of innovation" What is that "next generation of innovation" we'll see. Please note that the analyst is not interested in every innovation, he's very selective, he's just involved with the "next generation of innovation". Which is...

AI, cloud-based services, messaging

Now take your time to digest this.

Apple must lead the AI, Apple must lead cloud-based services, Apple must lead messaging. This is what the analyst says. So, Apple must be a services company, not a hardware company. In order to be a leader in a market you must devout all your resources to that market, obviously.

So, stop your urge to discuss Apple's innovation within the context of this article, the article and the title will not reflect what is discussed in this thread.

Sorry man... I disagree with you.  If your logic is correct, then Apple can only be good at one thing.  It they want to do the best laptop, it means they can't make the best phone.  They want to make the best phone then they can't make the best tablet... etc.

They should be striving to be the best at everything they do.   Its not like they have one person working there.  They have teams assigned to each department and if the head of that department is not striving to be the absolute best in the field, then they shouldn't be there.   Its not like they lack the talent or financial resources to do this.  Mediocrity is not a formula for success.

macplusplus said:

Skylake E5 (v5) is expected 1H 2017 and it comes with a new socket design. So updating the Mac Pro any time before 1H 2017 and have to go to a major redesign for the new socket in 1H 2017 would make no sense. Processor specs are listed in Intel's site and a comparison of all v3, v4 and incoming v5 specs would give some clue about why Apple did not update the Mac Pro. This is not as simple as counting the number of cores. Companies' marketing pages would not help you. You must dig deeper.

I understand that the v5 will be a new socket design and require a redesign of the logic board but that does not refute the fact that the v3 and v4 are the same socket design and would require trivial work to implement. If they would have done an incremental update on the MacPro, they wouldn't be so hard pressed to get the v5 out the door. 

I know its easy for all of us to quarterback CEO these things when it doesn't affect us.  The problem for me and many pros, is that this is are livelihood.   We have 7 year old 12 core systems that we use for rendering that are giving out one by one.   They NEED to be replaced.   Normally, we would have updated these systems every 2 years but Apple has not provided us with any compelling systems during this 7 year time frame.  If I can't walk into an Apple Store and buy a top of the line system that is even remotely close to what competitors are selling for the same price, you know there is a problem.

I'm not sure where I am suppose to dig or how I am fooled by marketing that a 36 core E5v4 with Nvidia Quadro GPU Dell/HP is only marginally faster than the 12 core E5v2 with 3 year old D700 GPU.  Can you please point me in the right direction so I can see for myself.

flaneur said:

altivec88 said:

I"m not even caring that they have failed to innovate.   They can't even keep their current products remotely up to date.  3+ year old MacPro's are unacceptable.  The seamless Mac eco-system is being fragmented and destroyed by the cancelation of key products (Monitors, routers).   Apple monitors are pure source of advertising for a company.  Going into an office and seeing all those lit Apple logo's was fantastic mind share.  Now we get to see plastic LG monitors and have no clue whats running them.  But hey, Apple will only make a hundred million on monitors instead of a 100 billion, so it needs to be axed.

They have been switching to USB-C for over a year now and yet only 2 models have them.   How am I suppose to buy USB-C peripherals for my company when our MacPro's, iMacs... etc can't use them.   The "Hello" event should have a been a complete transition day for all of Apple's desktops, laptops, iphones, and iPads over to USB-C.  That's how you transition.  I guess, Tim and company really have replaced their computers with iPads because they have no clue how their decisions are affecting people in the real world.

You are ignorant of any material reasons for Apple's moves. Example: tell us where Apple would get an extra 3 million or so 27" IGZO-backed  LCD screens to supply a new line of Cinema Displays. You can't tell us. Ergo, you are full of . . . hot air.

LOL... I am ignorant because you believe that Apple is not capable of getting 3 million display panels?  So they are able to source out hundreds of millions of iPhone displays but Apple doesn't have enough clout or money to contract out 3 million 27" panels.     Yah... I'm the ignorant one.

Am I also ignorant on the 3+ year old MacPro's?   How will Apple be able to source out the Xeon E5's that have been updated two times and the countless new graphics cards that are out?   How will they be able to source out enough USB-C ports for the MacPro.  I know its crazy for me to think that they are capable of getting these parts.