altivec88

I know that secrecy builds up suspense and stuff but for us Pro's, secrecy just means lack of communication with the company that is providing us with tools.

I just wish they would come out and tell us what is going on.  If they are planning an upgrade, can't they at least gives us an announcement to stay tuned and show us a grill or something.  If they have decided to get out of the pro market, can't they have the decency to just let us know.   I need to upgrade our systems.  Should I be switching to PC?  Should I be waiting a few more month?  I don't want to switch but I really can't operate my business like this anymore.  

Apple get your act together.

sockrolid said:

AppleInsider said:

So, which processor?

All of this hand-wringing (and loss of pro users) is the result of Apple's dependence on Intel.

I disagree.

Apple is choosing to neglect the Mac. period.

Intel has upgraded the Xeon E5 chip found in the MacPro twice.  With Kaby lake released, the current MacBook Pro is again 2 generations back.  If we want to blame intel, All of Apples machine should be at least running the latest processors that intel provide.

I don't have a problem with a lack of upgrades if the whole industry has the same issue.  I blame Apple because their competition is selling systems today with cpu's that are 2 generations ahead and graphic cards that are 3 generations ahead.

So I don't buy this "intel is the problem, they need to switch to Arm".  No...  Apple is the problem.  Match what the competition is selling, add your 10% apple tax and everyone will be a happy camper.  To pay the 10% apple tax on 3 year old tech makes even the die hards look at PC's.

therunningvm said:

calebbenbekke said:

I am a pro user since 2000 and i believe Apple's story became unbelievably self centered, egostistical, no longer "havin a dream" to create greatest products but continuing the milking process of people who wants to show off. Well, i can not believe that i say this (even to my self) but with this non-professional attitude, i am out of Apple's citizenship. 
What is this?
Compare Dell or HP to a Mac Pro? I mean is this a joke?
Compare Alienware to Mac Book Pro?

I am missing the days we had Final Cut and FC Library, Shake.. even QT Pro, even Pages 9.
Now we have bunch of non sense crApple. They are supposedly updated but for any pro user they were seriously downgraded.
And the sad part is Adobe CS not great either for Professional updates.
What, microsoft? God no. Google? Nope, definitely not.
God help us. 

And we pros loved Apple, we made Apple what it is.
Now, Apple lost us! 

Misdirected anger much?
First, del and Hp are not any faster then the mac pro at all.
The race for speed ended in 2012, when cpuS could no longer get any faster, and only chipset upgrades were remaining.

And why are you compering a gaming laptop to a desktop replacement?

Misinformed much

I just don't get why some people feel so compelled to tell other people what they need.  Because you don't need CPU power doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't need it.  I've been on Mac since 84,  I have built a fairly large business doing 3D renderings on Macs and in 30 years I have never seen the Mac line up in such despair.  The term bleeding Pro mac users is an excellent description as I see it happening all around me.

First off, No, the speed race did not end in 2012.  For Macs, it ended in 2010.   the 12 core macs we purchased then are what we still use today.  The 2013 MacPros were stripped of a whole processor so all they accomplished for people that needed CPU is to double the price and keep the performance the same at 12 cores.  We bought one machine just to test it out and we were disappointed so we have waited for years with cash in hand.  Now here we are 6 years later with the same performance level.  So I can completely understand the frustration levels of pro users because I myself am beyond frustrated.

Where you are wrong is the race only stopped for Macs.  The Xeon was upgraded twice over the past 3 years.  Apple is stuck on providing generation 2 cpus that maxed out at 12 cores while HP and Dell are selling fourth generation dual 22 cores (44 cores total).  Apple is not competing on price, they are not competing on performance, they are not competing on upgradability.   Who in the world would buy a Mac Pro.  I think Tim Cook is putting all his eggs in the phone basket and has no understanding of the Apple culture.  Once he bleeds away all his loyal users all that will be left is another phone company.  Just like the infallible Motorola and Nokia.

mac_dog said:

altivec88 said:

Here apple. Let me save you some money on R&D. Get the latest processor and graphics card and put it into the Mac Pro case. There...  It took one person 10 seconds and $0 to come up with that brilliant idea.   Maybe they can spare one of their hundred thousand plus employees a few hours to do that instead of pissing off and losing more of your pro buyers every day you wait.

Brilliant! Maybe you should be running apple. You might have to move out of your parents house, though. 

Seriously, don't quit your day job. 

Unless you are Tim, I'm not sure what your problem with my post is.  Maybe your parents basement doesn't rely on Mac Pro's like mine does so you have no understanding of the frustration level us pro's are at.  We have been stuck on 12 core machines for over 6 years and the latest model is 3 years old with no price drops or any effort at all to put the price/performance ratio in line with competitor systems.  I have seen countless of my colleagues forced to switch due to this lackadaisical commitment.  All I said is, why can't apple chew gum and walk at the same time and you know maybe spend some of that R&D dollar on the MacPro.  I'm not saying a redesign but just a refresh using the latest E5v4 and modern graphic cards to keep it up to date.

Are you claiming what I am saying is not true? or is it that you are okay with 1000 day refresh cycles?  or are you just on another level of fanboyism that exceeds even me?  Again, I'm not sure what's in there to elicit such a response.

Here apple. Let me save you some money on R&D. Get the latest processor and graphics card and put it into the Mac Pro case. There...  It took one person 10 seconds and $0 to come up with that brilliant idea.   Maybe they can spare one of their hundred thousand plus employees a few hours to do that instead of pissing off and losing more of your pro buyers every day you wait.