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lkrupp said:

rogifan_new said:

Very surprised Apple ever announced this on stage. It clearly was vaporware at that point and that’s not something Apple usually makes public. John Gruber things this product is pretty much DOA and will never be released.

Unless management got rolled by promises from engineering and technical problems became worse as time passed. I bet management never saw a working prototype in the lab but took the word of whoever was in charge that it would eventually work. Or it could be something like we hear from the armchair engineers in this forum who blather about how "easy" it would be to add this or that feature/function with out knowing a damn thing about hardware or software engineering. A charging platform that will charge three devices at once? Piece of cake until they actually tried to build the thing.

The real black eye for Apple would be for them to cancel the project and then have Belkin or some other third party manufacturer come out with a working product.

Why blame the engineers? Maybe the engineers said it couldn’t be done but management said make it happen. 

Either way, someone or multiple people screwed up. 

genovelle said:

ihatescreennames said:

I think an important part that people are overlooking is that if I have a Series 4 AND feel/am notified that something is off I can’t take an ECG and save the data which I can then share with my doctor (hopefully). The president of the AHA mentioned he typically has patients report symptoms that aren’t present during an appointment. 

With Series 4 we can at least get some sort of data, even if rudimentary, for our doctor to start from. This seems like a great capability in a device I’m already wearing every day for reasons unrelated to taking an ECG. 

Sounds like they went looking for a doctor to down play the significance of this ability. Lol

It’s to keep people in check about the reality of what it really is. It only reads a single lead when you need multiple to have a overall better understanding of what is going on. 

genovelle said:

D4RK31F said:

Apple is not the first to get FDA approval...  I have been using Kardia band (alivecor) for almost half a year now.  What Apple is doing is making it seamlessly integrated into apple watch instead of an accessorized band.

The article says it the first Apple device to get approval, so it is correct. 

I’m finally buying my first Apple Watch and am excited but let’s not misinterprete things. 

No, it’s a clearance. Big difference between clearance and approval. 

What the Apple Watch is not

 • At this point in time, the Apple Watch ECG feature is not indicated for the detection of any heart conditions except Atrial Fibrillation.

 • It is also not indicated for people who already have a diagnosis of atrial fibrillation, who should be seeing a physician regularly.

 • It is NOT capable of ruling in or out a heart attack. Even a full 12-lead ECG can miss certain heart attacks.

 • It is also NOT considered an FDA approved medical device as some people have claimed it to be. The FDA simply released clearance letters, also known as a 510k Pre Market notification clearance, that also explicitly state that it is not intended for people under the age of 22. It is considered as an over-the-counter (OTC) device and classified as Class II, which is the same class as things like condoms and home-pregnancy kits.

 • It is also not a continuous monitor of your heart's electrical activity. It is only capable of measuring an ECG while your other hand is on the crown.

 ◦ A single electrode ECG is also physically impossible. In order to measure electrical activity, there needs to be a complete circuit that passes through the heart. Not even a wireless device on the other hand can get around this as it wouldn't be part of the same electrical circuit.

anantksundaram said:

tvOS?

A design disaster. 

Thank you. Every day I use it, it drives me bonkers. 

lkrupp said:

mac-daddy said:

Spending $150 on a charging mat is absolutely laughable. Since when did it become so hard to plug a wire into your phone to charge it? 

Laughable for you maybe. What makes your opinion the last word on the subject? Apple will sell tons of them and I will be one of the first in line for my iPhone 8 and Watch. A few premium luxury automobiles are advertising wireless charging shelves in their vehicles. Get in the car and drop your iPhone on the charging shelf and off you go. 

I don’t really consider a Toyota Camry or a Chevrolet Cruze a luxury automobile. Your definition is probably different than mine and, for you, those are the type of cars you look to when you are wanting a luxury automobile. So don’t try and spin this as, because Apple brought out a wireless phone this past year, all of a sudden only top tier car manufacturers are starting to put wireless charging into their cars. Wireless charging has been available for a few years in cars and well before Apple announced wireless charging phones. 

Now! Will Apple bring wireless charging to the mainstream like they do with most of the things they introduce? Absolutely! Apple almost always does it right and makes things people want and use and would not live without. This is why, to me, Apple is so great and I love when they finally enter a space and make things better overall.