bobschlob

It's hilarious that people want these phones to be un-hackable, and then complain when, after mucking about with the chief security feature of the phone, they find that the data can't be accessed. (That's what's supposed to happen)

muppetry said:

gatorguy said:

I don't think Apple has said it can't be reauthorized have they? I don't know what Apple's advice is if you call/contact them as they suggest. 

I would hope that's how it works, but several other articles on the subject indicate that Apple have been telling users that they will need a new phone and that there is no way to recover any data from the old phone. 

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/feb/05/error-53-apple-iphone-software-update-handset-worthless-third-party-repair

Of course there is no way to recover the data (except from your own authorized backup). That's the IDEA.

muppetry said:

gatorguy said:

Absolutely the way it should be done. Anyone complaining about it hasn't thought thru the possible even if unlikely consequences of it not working that way.

Agreed, but there should be a way to get the Phone reauthorized by Apple. I can't see any negative security implications from being able to take it to an Apple Store, verify ones identity, and reactivate the secure element.

I'm pretty sure that would mean a new touch ID module. And just as it is with a 'new battery module" that basically just means a 'new phone'. (just swap the phone)
In any case, there should definitely be no way to simply fix this issue with some sort of software or "reauthorization" (or have you not been listening to what Apple has been saying to the government about security, backdoors, and access?)

Yeah. Definitely getting sick of hearing about "issuers". Issuers are definitely not the problem (yes, there is a problem)

jdgaz said:

Personally don't want to have to put the pencil down to do a bit of scrolling then pick it up again to continue marking up a doc. consider the pencil a temporary finger in those cases.

Why would you put down the pencil?
I have a sheet of paper on my desk; I write on the sheet of paper; when I need to move the sheet aside I don't put down my pencil. I just touch the sheet with my finger (pencil still in hand) and slide it up / down; left / right.

Edit: Funny; reading some comments, it seems like some people have forgotten how one actually works with documents on a desk with a pencil in their hand. One is constantly using both the marker utility, and their fingers to get the job done.