mnbob1

razormaid said:

mnbob1 said:

The owner is dead. I guess that is giving support since he can't refuse.

The tool requested by the FBI has nothing to do with TouchID since they requested it to be able to turn off the number of failed attempts before the data is erased. TouchID is simply another way of inputting the passcode using biometric fingerprint detection. The so-called news reports about a fingerprint workaround are all but bogus and Apple has continued to improve the security of using it with each new iPhone model as well as new versions of iOS.

By creating a software tool (which doesn't exist) the FBI is asking Apple to modify the security of the iPhone and iOS. The capability to erase the contents of the iPhone with failed attempts (as well as to remotely erase the data) was the subject of hearings and news conferences by lawmakers. They were the impetus for Apple to create the features in the first place. If Apple complies with the FBI what precedent will that set for future backdoor security tools? The leaders of other countries that have few privacy laws could use this as a case to compel Apple to create or use the FBI code to create additional security bypass tools. Once the hacker community is able to get this code they can and will exploit it. I am not convinced that the FBI is able to keep this tool secure and a one time use as they say. 

A.  The owner is not dead. A simple google search and watching tv for 3 minutes about this story will reveal the owner is the company he worked for (a.k.a. it was a company phone - not his personal phone) so the chances of them finding anything is bogus right there. What idiot would take the time to remove his laptop hard drive and throw it in a lake on the way to killing people then leave his work phone back home in plain sight for the reporters who got access to their apartment even before the FBI did?  What idiot would put personal things on his business phone?  Where's his REAL phone?  Did they miss that in the lake?  That said, he did turn off the iCloud on this phone the morning of the attacks. I'm guessing THATS what the FBI finds curious (as do I)

2.  It was an iPhone 5c which did NOT have Touch ID. So there's no fingerprint scan to bypass. 

When postng in in the future correct those two facts. That way the rest of your post will be more accurate. <GRIN> 

joseph

I was fully aware that the iPhone in this case is the 5c which doesn't have the TouchID feature. My comments were about the suggestion to turn off TouchID as a means to control access. If you read my post I didn't say that the iPhone in question had TouchID.

I just turned on the TV for 3 minutes and didn't get any information about the owner of the iPhone <GRIN>. As you suggested I did a Google search and was educated about the county being the owner.

I will make sure that I correct the fact about the owner. I have made other posts on other article discussions that state that is the case.

I'm so glad that you have taken on the personal role of fact checking postings. Are you one of those spelling checkers too? Since you didn't comment on the rest of my post I can only assume that you don't give a shit about the privacy issues of this case.

bob

wiggin said:

This really isn't a 4th Amendment question. The FBI is operating well within those bounds in wanting to access the data on the phone. The search is reasonable and even has the support of the owner of the phone. It comes down to if Apple can be required/compelled to assist in those efforts, which would seem to fall more under freedom of speech (or in this case, freedom to refuse speech...in the form of computer code).

For those who are worried about their privacy should a tool be created which would allow brute for attacks on iPhones, the solution is simple. Use the alphanumeric passcode option and don't use a stupid password. And don't use Touch ID, either.

The owner is dead. I guess that is giving support since he can't refuse.

The tool requested by the FBI has nothing to do with TouchID since they requested it to be able to turn off the number of failed attempts before the data is erased. TouchID is simply another way of inputting the passcode using biometric fingerprint detection. The so-called news reports about a fingerprint workaround are all but bogus and Apple has continued to improve the security of using it with each new iPhone model as well as new versions of iOS.

By creating a software tool (which doesn't exist) the FBI is asking Apple to modify the security of the iPhone and iOS. The capability to erase the contents of the iPhone with failed attempts (as well as to remotely erase the data) was the subject of hearings and news conferences by lawmakers. They were the impetus for Apple to create the features in the first place. If Apple complies with the FBI what precedent will that set for future backdoor security tools? The leaders of other countries that have few privacy laws could use this as a case to compel Apple to create or use the FBI code to create additional security bypass tools. Once the hacker community is able to get this code they can and will exploit it. I am not convinced that the FBI is able to keep this tool secure and a one time use as they say. 

smakdown61 said:

This isn't as bad as it sounds. Remember, this is a 5C we are talking about which doesn't use the secure enclave. That means there is no hardware delay when attempting to brute force passwords. Granted, they'll still need apple to sign whatever modified version of iOS they want to upload but after that they can brute force it themselves. 

Whether or not it is feasible is not the point. Privacy of us all is the point. Who wants to go back to a time like McCarthyism? It was a dark time that I was alive to witness. I'm guessing you are too young and that history subject wasn't even taught in your school. Go back and take a look. Instead of communism we will be persecuted for our religion. If you're not white and an evangelical you're at risk. I fear just because I'm an ELCA Lutheran since some presidential candidates only tolerate conservative right leaning Christianity. 

We we should all fear what is happening here. 

thh21044 said:

Traitor. Not a victim, and not a Veteran? Not my problem I guess, Tim? Here is hoping you are ground zero on the next attack. Traitor.

I think you don't understand the implications of the situation. If Apple does create a back door for the iPhone/iPad/iPod it will put those devices at a risk for not only law enforcement to access them but also hackers. Those hackers could be terrorists utilizing your iPhone to do their communications and ultimately implicate the owner including yourself. 

The FBI and other government agencies could violate our constitutional rights with this type of control. I don't want to live in a country that could do that type of spying by breaking into anyone's phone to gather information. The scary thing is that there are several republican candidates for president that would have no qualms about using this capability to spy on anyone who isn't a white conservative evangelical. Their comments regarding people of the Muslim religion and suspecting all are involved in terrorism is frightening and reminds me of another time in history that I was alive for. It's called McCarthyism and was a dark time for all Americans. 

Mr. Cook is trying to protect us from going down that rabbit hole again. He is not a traitor but a hero that wants to protect the rights of everyone no matter what faith they practice and allow us to keep our personal information private. Let the FBI get their information from other sources. There's a good chance they wouldn't get any compelling info from the iPhone that could be collected elsewhere. 

I I have an iPhone partly because of the capabilities to keep my information private and safe from hackers. 

mac_128 said:

The more I see the TV OS moving toward iOS, the more I wonder if it's such a good idea. Certainly the ability to organize all the stuff is welcome, but it doesn't strike me as a particularly intuitive way to organize stuff for TV viewing. I was watching the TV commercial this weekend where they proclaim it to be the future of television, but with the clunky interface, and non specific uses, I found that a difficult claim to stomach. It just seems layering what works in iOS over the TV OS when there's no direct touch interface seems like a poor way to "re-invent" the TV, and is hardly the solution I was expecting when Steve Jobs proclaimed he had "cracked" it. I feel like my DirectTV UI is far more efficient despite the extra buttons on the remote. But then maybe I am just used to it after over 20 years of using it.  Still there are horrible TV UIs out there, and so far, I'm not seeing Apple really improving navigation with theirs.

Comfort with an existing system makes it hard for a user to change. Like Windows 8 for example. You have to go outside of your comfort zone and "Think Differently". Times have changed, media has changed, streaming is the new entertainment media. The look and feel of iOS is not a bad thing and the software and interface will change and evolve as the entertainment industry catches up to the delivery through direct to consumer. The on-demand delivery of what the consumer is looking for. Apple is working hard to make that easy to use. The SIRI search capability allows you to search for what you want on all channels of the Apple TV. The view of the interface is only a list of what you want as far as channels. Searching through them all simultaneously is the future. Also, Siri search doesn't have to be voice. That's only one way to access it.