minisu1980

sog35 said:

minisu1980 said:

sog35 said:

How many of you have 0% hype for today's event?

I've been disappointed so many times the last 3 years at Apple events. So many disappointments the last few events:

1. releasing the iPhone 6ss
2. Apple Watch crappy interface, nothing really innovative
3. AppleTV. Nothing new. Just a roku
4. No home hub
5. No touch screen Mac's
6. No Apple brand TV display

Its going to be the same old crap.
Tim Cook, Eddy Cue, and some other random Apple executive spouting about how 'amazing' something is.

Apple is getting stale, boring, no excitement.

Don't get me wrong. They still make the best quality product and very reliable. Just like a Toyota.

But Apple use to be Ferrari. They use to be sexy, cutting edge, and make your blood boil. Now its the same crap with a tiny bit of improvement.

IMO, its a reflection of how lazy and self satisified the executives have become.
Cook, Cue, Shiller, and Ive are all established. All are worth more than $100 million and are fat and happy. They are not willing or motivated to take risks because they got it made.

Apple needs a serious shake up. The old guard is just..........old. We need new blood that is excited, innovated, and willing to fail miserably. We need younger execs who are hungry, have vision, and want to make a mark in the world.

I can't be alone in this. Can I? 

You want proof of how far Apple has fallen?

Do you think 5 years ago Microsoft or Google would even dare release a product to compete with Apple's premier products? Hell no.

But Google bringing out the Pixel at the same price as the iPhone is a sign. Google sees how weak Apple is now. In the past Google always had to compete on price. Same with Microsoft and the Surface book and Surface Studio. That's how weak and feable Apple looks to its competition now. 5 years ago that was UNTHINKABLE.

So lets look at your post

1. releasing the iPhone 6ss (I assume you mean iPhone 7 because they did not change the form factor, still going to buy 7 of them earlier next week for my company)
2. Apple Watch crappy interface, nothing really innovative (Agreed, just compare it to a superior interface like Microsoft's offering oh wait, discontinued, maybe get the flat tire instead?)
3. AppleTV. Nothing new. Just a roku (My household consumes all our media via Apple TV, what exactly needs to change it does what it was designed to do)
4. No home hub (Apple TV 4 does that with my August lock)
5. No touch screen Mac's (Look how well that's reinvigorated the PC market)
6. No Apple brand TV display (OK maybe a point here, LG got my dollars when I would have bough an Apple branded TV no questions)

Should Apple aggressively take risk with their cash horde, you know maybe the Google approach. I mean Alphabet, or aka "Google separated from all it's losing divisions", all of it's Moonshots and acquisitions. Boston Dynamics, Motorola, Nest, Google Fiber, etc all of these big bets were basically throw crap at a wall cash burns. Pixel is the latest addition to the bonfire, though it's demise might be slightly delayed due to the overwhelming, some might say explosive, success of another company that was taking aggressive risk to beat out the competition. After all it is unrealistic to assume Apple will pickup all of their lost business.

Microsoft and Google have hubris in spades, that's why they are trying to go toe to toe with Apple on price. They also have both watched most of their "partners" dwindle into obscurity in a race to the bottom. The only winner in that race is China, not because it's a race worth winning but because of no copyright laws, a favorable domestic government agenda and rock bottom wages. Even Samsung's starting to be out Samsung'ed by Chinese companies and that's quite a feat. I'm not even going to address the new Microsoft offerings that no one will buy, though I'm quite sure they will ship a lot for IDC to report.

Yes you are, for the most part, alone in your line of thinking. It really sounds like your stock bets haven't been working out. Your pretty much always pro Apple until the stock doesn't go to $150, then it's Cook's incompetent, Apple can't innovate, not investing enough ... Benghazi. Come on man, your flip flopping more than politicians supporting Trump.

Facts are Facts.

iPhone sales - down
iPad sales - down
Mac sales - down
Watch sales - down
AppleTV sales - probably not great

What does that tell you? 

iPhone sales - down, a lot could explain that including the hype for the very bestest every iPhone next year that started even before the 7 was released. Apple acknowledged stating first weekend numbers are no longer accurate as the amount sold is more indicative of supply constraints versus demand. A lot of non tech enthusiast people will simply wait till the phone they want is in stock versus ordering weeks in advance. Apple has never fudged numbers to assuage investors in the past, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they are talking about.

iPad sales - down, have been going down for a while now. No one else makes any profit on tablets. Other companies can't even sell a meaningful amount of $59 units. I personally found no use for my iPad between my iPhone 6 and iMac so I gave it away and likely will not buy another one. You would have to pry my parents iPads from their cold dead hands. They will continue to only buy iPads at whatever price they happen to cost, but they don't upgrade them frequently.

Mac sales - down, Intel's chipset was delayed. New Macs today. Apple attempts to only do releases when it can make a tangible difference to the end user.

Watch sales - new watch hasn't even been out for one holiday quarter yet. Most people I know who have Apple Watches asked for them for holiday or birthday gifts.

AppleTV sales - because roku and the rest of the competition are so featured advanced? 90% of the population doesn't even have 4k. You can only expect so much from a device who purpose is to play media on a TV.

Tells me your thinking very short term. Wasn't it you who posted right after the earnings call that Apple's return to growth forecast for next quarter was the only thing that mattered. Your post above is the exact opposite of this line of thinking, what am I missing here?

sog35 said:

How many of you have 0% hype for today's event?

I've been disappointed so many times the last 3 years at Apple events. So many disappointments the last few events:

1. releasing the iPhone 6ss
2. Apple Watch crappy interface, nothing really innovative
3. AppleTV. Nothing new. Just a roku
4. No home hub
5. No touch screen Mac's
6. No Apple brand TV display

Its going to be the same old crap.
Tim Cook, Eddy Cue, and some other random Apple executive spouting about how 'amazing' something is.

Apple is getting stale, boring, no excitement.

Don't get me wrong. They still make the best quality product and very reliable. Just like a Toyota.

But Apple use to be Ferrari. They use to be sexy, cutting edge, and make your blood boil. Now its the same crap with a tiny bit of improvement.

IMO, its a reflection of how lazy and self satisified the executives have become.
Cook, Cue, Shiller, and Ive are all established. All are worth more than $100 million and are fat and happy. They are not willing or motivated to take risks because they got it made.

Apple needs a serious shake up. The old guard is just..........old. We need new blood that is excited, innovated, and willing to fail miserably. We need younger execs who are hungry, have vision, and want to make a mark in the world.

I can't be alone in this. Can I? 

You want proof of how far Apple has fallen?

Do you think 5 years ago Microsoft or Google would even dare release a product to compete with Apple's premier products? Hell no.

But Google bringing out the Pixel at the same price as the iPhone is a sign. Google sees how weak Apple is now. In the past Google always had to compete on price. Same with Microsoft and the Surface book and Surface Studio. That's how weak and feable Apple looks to its competition now. 5 years ago that was UNTHINKABLE.

So lets look at your post

1. releasing the iPhone 6ss (I assume you mean iPhone 7 because they did not change the form factor, still going to buy 7 of them earlier next week for my company)
2. Apple Watch crappy interface, nothing really innovative (Agreed, just compare it to a superior interface like Microsoft's offering oh wait, discontinued, maybe get the flat tire instead?)
3. AppleTV. Nothing new. Just a roku (My household consumes all our media via Apple TV, what exactly needs to change it does what it was designed to do)
4. No home hub (Apple TV 4 does that with my August lock)
5. No touch screen Mac's (Look how well that's reinvigorated the PC market)
6. No Apple brand TV display (OK maybe a point here, LG got my dollars when I would have bough an Apple branded TV no questions)

Should Apple aggressively take risk with their cash horde, you know maybe the Google approach. I mean Alphabet, or aka "Google separated from all it's losing divisions", all of it's Moonshots and acquisitions. Boston Dynamics, Motorola, Nest, Google Fiber, etc all of these big bets were basically throw crap at a wall cash burns. Pixel is the latest addition to the bonfire, though it's demise might be slightly delayed due to the overwhelming, some might say explosive, success of another company that was taking aggressive risk to beat out the competition. After all it is unrealistic to assume Apple will pickup all of their lost business.

Microsoft and Google have hubris in spades, that's why they are trying to go toe to toe with Apple on price. They also have both watched most of their "partners" dwindle into obscurity in a race to the bottom. The only winner in that race is China, not because it's a race worth winning but because of no copyright laws, a favorable domestic government agenda and rock bottom wages. Even Samsung's starting to be out Samsung'ed by Chinese companies and that's quite a feat. I'm not even going to address the new Microsoft offerings that no one will buy, though I'm quite sure they will ship a lot for IDC to report.

Yes you are, for the most part, alone in your line of thinking. It really sounds like your stock bets haven't been working out. Your pretty much always pro Apple until the stock doesn't go to $150, then it's Cook's incompetent, Apple can't innovate, not investing enough ... Benghazi. Come on man, your flip flopping more than politicians supporting Trump.

Top Five Smartwatch Vendors, Shipments, Market Share and Year-Over-Year Growth, 3Q 2016

WTF does that even mean? Market share is the number of actual devices purchased/still in use. Shipments do not equal market share. This is particularly true in tech and has been shown to be self-evident by the numerous write downs taken by large tech companies over the last few years with their pathetic attempts to unseat Apple. Yep, they shipped a lot of units ... that sat on the shelf gaining dust until they were ultimately returned or destroyed, or in Samsung's case given away on BOGO type deals.

So let me get this straight. In other product categories they use Apple's actual reported sales numbers vs the competitions shipped numbers in addition to the nebulous "Other" category which can be pretty much whatever they want to skew the narrative towards their paying clients desires. Even then they often have to portray it as Apple against the entire industry (IOS vs Andriod) or an defined Apple product vs. anything remotely comparable (smartwatch vs anything that can be worn over a wrist ... evening gloves?).  Apple does not report Apple Watch numbers so IDC has no actual sales numbers on any of the companies, they have more or less questionable shipped numbers from the different vendors (nothing from Apple), which again makes determining market share super accurate. The sad thing is, I can't tell if this IDC report being entirely devoid of any factual sale numbers might somehow make it more accurate than what they normally put out?

lordjohnwhorfin said:

Seriously, what kind of a dimwit would get a Note 8 after the Note 7 debacle? I know exactly what kind. This acquaintance of mine who keeps using his Note 7 despite the recall (because hey, it's a free phone!). 

Maybe he's just holding out till it actually causes him bodily harm. After the settlement or jury verdict, all his future phones will be free!

This looks like a system I would actually want. I'll wait until it has a lot of games I want to play released before purchasing. Got burned on the Wii U with this, still no Zelda, no Mario in forever. All the decent titles are coming out on their handheld system, which I don't care for. Switch looks like the best of both worlds, exciting.

Would have loved to see an Apple collaboration here.