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I need time to get used to... the new Finder icon on the Dock  :-/

nubus said:

macplusplus said:

nubus said:

1. The Mac Pro is PCIe 3.0 - which simply isn't fast enough. Even budget computers from AMD are now running PCIe 4. The Mac Pro 2019 was built using tech that was obsolete on launch. You can get a B550 motherboard with a PCIe 4.0 SSD for 50-100% better performance on storage.

PCIe-4 support depends on Intel, not on Apple. Show us any Xeon that supports PCIe-4 yet. Your point is irrelevant.

Apple could have gone PCIe 4.0 with AMD (which they use exclusively for GPUs) but decided to deliver obsolete technology. Isn't that relevant?

OK, performance and architecture differences put aside, how many Ryzens AMD could deliver matching Apple's specifications? This is a matter of quality and production scale. Even Intel can barely fulfill Apple's demands, if you melt a motherboard every couple of years the speed of your PCIe 4 won't help. Mac Pro is not a DIY home tinkerer's hobby.

nubus said:

macplusplus said:

the corporations might have just said "we buy Windows boxes a dozen a dime, we don't need Windows-compatible Macs, just give us pure native Macs". Obviously a Macbook Pro is too expensive to run Windows. Given the penetration of the iPhone and iPad into the corporate world, the trend may have chosen the second path. Obviously it is Apple who owns the data about that. Considering that Apple sells to the corporate world by ten thousands, it is unlikely that they didn't calculate the corporate sales loss when switching to Apple Silicon. 

Indeed - the keynote raised so many questions. Apple showed that old apps can run, but anything else would have been a disaster. There is no "killer feature" with this switch. What does this add that a T2 couldn't? We simply don't know.
If Apple cared about Mac then we would have seen more than 2 Mac Pro upgrades in a decade. The keynote didn't address that. Apple lost K-12 in 5 years - dropping from 60% of the market to 20% - Mac+iPad combined. A new skin on the OS won't make the Mac relevant to K-12 or business.

I started on Apple II but is there a path beyond emojis, Pinterest tabs in Safari, and those applications I can get on Windows? Or is the solution to get a iPad Pro at home and Windows at work?

Apple may have lost or ignored K12, let's assume it is like you said, but they have conquered homes. K12 was the business of 90s.

What does this add that a T2 couldn't? First of all, power efficiency. That means fanless laptops and desktops with virtually no throttling just like the iPad. Besides, we are not in Y2K, Google has reshaped all the computing paradigms with their web technologies. If you are dependent on a native Windows x86-64 application to browse Pinterest you are very far behind. And on the web we don't need Intel's parallelisms, hyperthreading and alike that much. Of course in productivity apps native code and parallelism are still needed, but the A series are already tried and tested solutions in productivity too. Corporations don't need to build native client applications with Delphi anymore, web interfaces and Java (to be fully replaced by Swift soon) already do the job. Your solution is to get iPad Pro at both home and work.

nubus said:

JWSC said:

How do you conclude that MacPro users would be lost?  The MacPro has this magical thing called a PCIe slot.  Have an Intel MacPro? Get a PCIe card with Apple Silicon.  Have a MacPro with Apple Silicon? Get a PCIe card with Intel x86.  This is a non-issue.

1. There is no PCIe card with Apple Silicon and there won't be. Think security on a card + power + system integration + the fact that there are very few sold units. On the Mac Pro storage is connected to T2. And it won't work with the existing GPU in the Mac Pro. Last time Apple dropped computers launched 2-3 months earlier, and those computers got one OS update (10.4.2 to 10.5). The Mac Pro is toast - again. In the old days Apple offered motherboard replacements but that stopped like 20 years ago.
2. The Mac Pro is PCIe 3.0 - which simply isn't fast enough. Even budget computers from AMD are now running PCIe 4. The Mac Pro 2019 was built using tech that was obsolete on launch. You can get a B550 motherboard with a PCIe 4.0 SSD for 50-100% better performance on storage.

PCIe-4 support depends on Intel, not on Apple. Show us any Xeon that supports PCIe-4 yet. Your point is irrelevant.

nubus said:

1. The new MacBooks must bring touch screens. The interface and iOS compatibility features are screaming for touch.
2. Mac Pro users lost again - if lucky they might be able to reuse their wheels  
3. Linux compatible but no word on Windows?
4. If Messages is the most important Mac app and Safari is mainly for Pinterest... then this marks then end of the Mac for corporate use. Tim said PERSONAL computer. Don't expect docks or any focus on knowledge workers beyond group chat. iOS 14 uses AI to organize apps - but macOS doesn't use AI to organize documents or mix them with side panels showing related mails, chats,... that is super disappointing.
   

Don't get why Apple will launch more hardware using Intel. I don't even get how they will they sell their existing "built on a terrible platform with no future" products?

Until a few months ago I was thinking the same. There might be two outcomes in corporate use: either corporations would stick to their legacy systems centered on Windows and would make BootCamp a requirement for their Mac purchase,

OR,

the corporations might have just said "we buy Windows boxes a dozen a dime, we don't need Windows-compatible Macs, just give us pure native Macs". Obviously a Macbook Pro is too expensive to run Windows. Given the penetration of the iPhone and iPad into the corporate world, the trend may have chosen the second path. Obviously it is Apple who owns the data about that. Considering that Apple sells to the corporate world by ten thousands, it is unlikely that they didn't calculate the corporate sales loss when switching to Apple Silicon. They will continue to support the first path (BootCamp) with new Intel Macs inline, but in a couple of years those too may fade away depending on the penetration of Apple Silicon. Competition is good